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Now that we have final numbers. It appears that Harris had all the white & black support she needed for an EC victory. But Trump outright flipping Latino men and making huge gains with Latino women seems to have made all the difference.

What do you think?

First image is 2024, second is 2020.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago

As a data analyst, the way the two graphs are setup terribly. There's really not enough information to come up with any conclusions from the charts.

Also, first, there's not enough information from the graphs to determine the situation since it's only by percentages and not population. Second, our system is based on the winners of each state and used by the electoral votes. So overall popular vote isn't going to determine who got elected, even if the chart showed all blue for all demographics.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The fact that any group aside from white men voted for trumpism is the issue. The disconnect was the complicit main stream media sane washing the craziness. They put racism/homophobia/fascism on the same level as Harris' policies.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago

Idk, white folks voting for Trump is an issue if you ask me, a white guy. Too many white folks sane washing his shit. Morning Joe went from "he's a fascist" to "let's put out differences aside". Other whities need to realize this is a grift that will likely kill your own.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I object!

White men voting for trumpism is also the issue.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ever cosider that there's a reason why the latinos moved to the right?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

White Dude for Harris here. I am sad face

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Your narrative is that Latinos "shifted right" but I think this is a false framing- it was the Biden/Harris administration that shifted hard right on its proposed immigration policies and it left many Latino voters feeling politically abandoned.

Look at the Democrats' 2024 immigration bill- it is deportations, immigration quotas, and building the wall - while including nothing "left of center" such as amnesty. It is literally a Trump 2016 wishlist.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (5 children)

So the solution to not liking the democrat shift right is to join in with the side off the scale right? I'm not following the logic there...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

Populist messaging is popular because it acknowledges that people are suffering and offers easy "solutions" to it.

Most folks don't actually want to hear the details, they're both busy and don't fucking understand it without the benefits of a educational system that has been systemically destroyed for decades.

Trump said he'll fix the economy and blamed Biden, Harris wanted to pretend that the lines went up so things were good because she was effectively burdened as an incumbent candidate.

Harris decentivized her base of support by chasing Lucy's football of Republicans that aren't fucking fascists, going after the Cheney votes of all fucking things, Trump siphoned votes from people that don't quite know how to fix the problem but know there is a problem.

You can point to Harris's specific policies all you want, the people you need to get to the polls and vote for you don't know about them because they're boring.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

To actually answer the post title you'd have to go state by state in the swing states to see if she could flip enough of them to make a difference. I suspect the bigger problem is still lack of turnout rather than any specific demographic.

[–] ZombiFrancis 8 points 3 days ago

A functional, coherent working class policy would've ticked some of those numbers in the campaign's favor across the board without even having to divide by race or gender.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Only 4% of Latino men shifted. That chart says Latino men were 5% of the total vote. Harris needed more than another .02%

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I think you’re getting confused by the column placement. This appears to be a 19 point shift towards Trump which seems substantial.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If that lasr column is population, latino men are 1/7 compared to white men. So the larger difference is much smaller than it appears. And how did there get to be so many more latino women than men.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Someone pointed out that a lot of Latinos are effectively white, like Cruz and Rubio.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Miami Cubans are absolutely convinced they're white and not immigrants. Source : 20+ years in Miami

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

My Cuban ex fling used to say exactly the same thing. I wonder where he is now, and if he's changed his mind? I hope he's doing well and hasn't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So at what point do they become locals? Caucasian people were also immigrants at some point

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