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"Because in 2024, Ukraine is no longer facing Russia. Soldiers from North Korea are standing in front of Ukraine. Let's be honest. Already in Ukraine, the Iranian 'Shahedis' are killing civilians absolutely openly, without any shame," said Zaluzhny, adding that North Korean and Chinese weapons are flying into Ukraine. Zaluzhny urged Ukraine's allies to draw the right conclusions. "It is still possible to stop it here, on the territory of Ukraine. But for some reason our partners do not want to understand this. It is obvious that Ukraine already has too many enemies. Ukraine will survive with technology, but it is not clear whether it can win this battle alone," he said.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

My chain of reasoning:

  • if Ukraine loses (or has to enter a very unfavourable agreement), it's not due to Ukraine wanting to lose, but no longer having the means to oppose (after all, Russia is a bigger country and also inherited nearly all the weapons of the USSR, and that was a lot)
  • thus, if Ukraine loses, inability or unwillingness of allies to support them is involved
  • if subsequently, a victorious Russia recovers economically, Russia may undertake further conquests
  • the next conquest could be westward of Ukraine, and a member of NATO --> path A to a really bad war
  • however, Russia might be too exhausted to undertake another conquest soon, or might collapse economically, even into revolutionary conditions --> path to uncertain times
  • however, there's another conflict waiting to happen: China is systematically training its military for attacking Taiwan, and systematically threatening Taiwan with military maneuvers and political statemements
  • it should be noted that China has also had border conflicts with India and Vietnam, and territorial disputes with many more countries, though no claims against their sovereignity
  • if Ukraine loses, this implies that Western countries will abandon an ally if pressed hard enough
  • subsequently China will consider whether it can press Taiwan hard enough, and I think it will conclude "yes" due to proximity --> path B to a really bad war
  • this development might come to a stop though, if Taiwan should surprisingly announce on some year that it has nuclear weapons and conduct a test

Conclusion: I have doubts, but yes, there is a potential for a chain reaction if it's demonstrated that international law does not have enough backers (does not apply if you are big enough).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That's a bold claim, not that I necessarily disagree with it. Are there groups of well respected historians that would agree that it has begun? I could only find a few here and there that think it has started.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

WWII started on the 3rd of September 1939, according to British history books, and some time in 1941 according to most Americans (or so I am led to believe), but I'm sure the Poles would think it was some point before either of those...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It’s possible that U.S. now will tell Ukraine to give up to Russia, what a mess.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

Oh I’ve no doubt trump is going to hand them over as quickly as possible.

[–] Awesomo85 -3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

World War happens when at least two great powers are on either side, according to League of Nations

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

It seems like it hasn't "bloomed" into something resembling the scale of the world wars yet. Ukraine is massive though, has room to contain a lot of warfare, but as of now it's still mostly contained.

I'm sure Putin would rather escalate than go back, though.

If this war leaves Ukraine, I'm gonna consider my days numbered. If it leaves Ukraine we'll probably have less than a decade left, and those years won't be good years.

Putin is so fucked in the head for wanting to conquer so bad that he's willing to do this, Russian people are equally fucked in the head for supporting it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If this war leaves Ukraine

You don’t think the fighting in Palestine, Iran, Syria, and Lebanon is connected to this?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Sort of, but a more indirectly than the war we're comparing it to. I know Russians are in the area, but the siege of Gaza seems fairly out of the Russians' control, a bit separated. Not sure about the extent of their presence in Lebanon. I saw something about a Russian group attacked by US helicopters in Syria not too long ago, but I don't remember the details nor did I really check to validate it at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You could say his Poutine has curdled a little too much

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