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[-] [email protected] 188 points 11 months ago

As your future colleague wondering what the hell that variable is for, thanks Go.

[-] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago

I prefer for it to be just a warning so I can debug without trouble, the build system will just prevent me from completing the pull request with it (and any other warning).

[-] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago

Changing it will bring down the entire system.

We've spent ten million dollars and do not know why.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

Isnt the syntax highlighting it as mever used?

So why would they wonder?

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If only there was some way the compiler could detect unused variable declarations, and may be emit some sort of "warning", which would be sort of like an "error", but wouldn't cause the build to fail, and could be treated as an error in CI pipelines

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[-] masterairmagic 82 points 11 months ago

Go is not a programming language. It's an angry rant of a bored Google engineer.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

IDK, Brainfuck is still classified as a programming language and Go is not that far behind it.

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[-] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sometimes I think Go was specifically made for Google to dictate its own preferences on the rest of us like some kind of power play. It enforces one single style of programming too much.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

From what I've heard from Google employees Google is really stringent with their coding standards and they usually limit what you can do with the language. Like for C++ they don't even use half the fancy features C++ offers you because it's hard to reason about them.

I guess that policy makes sense but I feel like it takes out all the fun out of the job.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

As far as C++ goes, that's probably the only sane way to use the language.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Is this a hard error? Like it doesn't compile at all?

Isn't there something like #[allow(unused)] in Rust you can put over the declaration?

[-] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

Yes it is a hard error and Go does not compile then. You can do _ = foobar to fake variable usage. I think this is okay for testing purposes.

[-] MonkCanatella 29 points 11 months ago

I think that's even worse because it increases the likelihood you'll forget you faked that variable just for testing

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Never really coded in Go outside of trying it out, but as far as I know it's a hard error.

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[-] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago

Also Go: exceptions aren't real, you declare and handle every error at every level or declare that you might return that error because go fuck yourself.

[-] [email protected] 53 points 11 months ago

Because that's sane and readable?

[-] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Wow. I'm honestly surprised I'm getting downvotes for a joke. Also, no. It isn't. It really isn't.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

It's better than "invisible" exceptions, but it's still the worst "better" version. The best solution is some version of the good old Result monad. Rust has the BEST error handling (at least in the languages i know). You must handle Errors, BUT they are just values, AND there's a easy, non-verbose way of passing on the error (the ? operator).

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[-] eestileib 12 points 11 months ago

I'm with you, exceptions sound good but are a bug factory.

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[-] [email protected] 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If this language feature is annoying to you, you are the problem. You 👏are 👏 the 👏 reason 👏 it 👏 exists.

I worked in places where the developers loaded their code full of unused variables and dead code. It costs a lot of time reasoning about it during pull request and it costs a lot of time arguing with coworkers who swear that they’re going to need that code in there next week (they never need that code).

This is a very attractive feature for a programming language in my opinion.

PS: I’m still denying your pull request if you try to comment the code instead.

❗️EDIT: A lot of y’all have never been to programming hell and it shows. 🪖 I’m telling you, I’ve fixed bayonets in the trenches of dynamically typed Python, I’ve braved the rice paddies of CICD YAML mines, I’ve queried alongside SQL Team Six; I’ve seen things in production, things you’ll probably never see… things you should never see. It’s easy to be against an opinionated compiler having such a feature, but when you watch a prod deployment blow up on a Friday afternoon without an easy option to rollback AND hours later you find the bug after you were stalled by dead code, it changes you. Then… then you start to appreciate opinionated features like this one. 🫡

[-] [email protected] 78 points 11 months ago

That's 👏 what 👏 CI 👏 is 👏 for

Warn in dev, enforce stuff like this in CI and block PRs that don't pass. Go is just being silly here, which is not surprising given that Rob Pike said

Syntax highlighting is juvenile. When I was a child, I was taught arithmetic using colored rods. I grew up and today I use monochromatic numerals.

The Go developers need to get over themselves.

[-] merc 19 points 11 months ago

Yeah, insisting on things like a variable being used will result in people using work arounds. It won't result in people not doing it.

Then, because people trust the language to police this rule, the work-arounds and debug code will get committed.

func main() {  
    test := true  
}  

Oops, golang doesn't like that.

func main() {  
    test := true  
    _ = test  
}

Perfectly cromulent code.

If they really wanted to avoid people having unused variables, they should have used a naming convention. Any variable not prefixed by "_" or "_debug_" or whatever has to be used, for example. Then block any code being checked in that still contains those markers.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

reading my code after being up for 18 hours and having my eyes glaze over trying to parse the structure of my monochromatic code but then I remember Rob Pike said syntax highlighting is juvenile so I throw my head against that wall for another 3 hours

[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Prescription glasses are juvenile. When I was a child, I was prescribed visual aid to help my nearsightedness. I grew up and today I raw-dog the road.

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[-] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's a problem with your workplace, not the language nor OP.
You could have a build setting for personal development where unused variables are not checked, and then a build setting for your CI system that will look for them. It gives you freedom to develop the way you want without being annoyed when you remove something just to test something, but will not merge your PR unless the stricter rules are met.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

That's what warnings are for. The jokes about programmers ignoring warnings are outdated - we live in an age where CIs run linters and style checkers on pull requests, there is no reason for a CI to not automatically reject code that builds with warnings.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

I mean, yeah that kind of stuff absolutely should not be in production. However, it's easy to see how it could be annoying while testing something while working on it. It being annoying doesn't make it a bad feature, just as finding it annoying doesn't make you a problem imo.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

Lol new copypasta unlocked 🔓

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

It costs a lot of time reasoning about it during pull request and it costs a lot of time arguing with coworkers who swear that they’re going to need that code in there next week (they never need that code).

You should go to your team leader and ask them to enforce a coding standard. I agree with other commenters that said this should be a warning instead of an error.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

lints that underline unused vars as errors, and not notes or warns are the worst lints..

[-] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

And I fucking love it. Thank you Go!

[-] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

This makes me not want to use Golang at all.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

OP never said he/she commits such code but wants to iterate, test, explore.

Of course, unused var should not be part of a commit.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

you can assign it to itself and it’ll be just fine. can’t put a breakpoint right on it, but it works

[-] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

I hate this in C++ when it does this with parameters of an overidden function. I don't need that specific parameter, but if I omit the variable name, I reduce readability.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Me when my wife wants to buy new clothes (her clothes are the variables)

[-] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

The best part of these threads is no matter what someone comments, at least 2 people will reply either correcting or "clarifying" the original commenter.

Lol

[-] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Comment the unused variable out and no security hole gets accidentally shipped.

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