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The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas officials, accusing them of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza and during the October 2023 attacks.

The court alleges actions like depriving Gaza civilians of essential resources.

Israel and the U.S., non-members of the ICC, reject the warrants, with Netanyahu calling them antisemitic.

Hamas also criticized the decision.

The practical enforcement of these warrants remains uncertain, as the ICC lacks authority to compel arrests.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 12 hours ago (12 children)

This is the correct call! A majority of Palestinians and Israeli do not want war. It’s a few bad apples on both sides and they should all be jailed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

The majority of Israelis do want war. They only want the hostages out more.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Israelis are terrorists who take part of the IDF to ensure the occupation of Palestine.

Of course, people like Haredi Jews and other minorities that don‘t take part of the IDF are innocent. But the rest are terrorists and should be treated as such. ✊

The Palestinian armed resistance is completely valid and it isn’t a „few bad apples“.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Those warrants aren't worth the paper they're printed on, but it's still nice to see official bodies outside the US calling Netanyahu what he is.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 13 hours ago

Those warrants are worth a lot. Not enough to put them behind bars, but still a lot!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

These warrants absolutely matter in terms of being a trumo card in several legal issues relating to EU-Israel relations.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's a nice thought. I won't hold my breath expecting any real consequences for Israel, though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago

The saddest thing is that if they do take action, it will be the lowest bar possible of accountability. They'll for example ban products from illegal settlements and then let Israel redurect them anyways.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (5 children)

I doubt any country will have the stones to arrest him in the face of US pressure.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They’ve been preparing for this for a while. Months ago already I remember reading accusations of the ICC being antisemitic by Israelis and various sympathisers. The old fiddle that never stops playing.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Finally! Now arrest the fuckers.

[–] Kecessa 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

He first needs to come out of Israel to visit a country that recognizes the ICC...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

And then the country still needs to actually arrest him. Am I right, Mongolia?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

He is not Putler though. Israelis may be war criminals as much as Russians are but their strength to influence other states decision is somewhat limited. Apart from the USA of course which for some reason appears to be Israeli puppet.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

Shove em all in the same cell, add one vaguely sharp rock, leave them there indefinitely

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What do rank and file military realize they have to start refusing certain orders?

When do the Americans cut off the supply of certain weapons?

When does the Israeli populace see that a radically new direction is needed to secure peaceful relations "from the river to the sea"?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 hours ago

Biden is lucky he didnt get included in the warrant.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 14 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago

Finally... it was about time!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 40 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I mean it's done quite a lot to diplomatically isolate them, right? Putin couldn't go to South Africa for BRICS, he couldn't attend the G20 summit this week, and presumably lots of other trips he hasn't done that he would have otherwise intended to

In Israel's case, I expect this will be a pain for Netanyahu more than it has been for Putin, since the set of countries that are neither ICC signatories nor actively hostile to Israel is a pretty short list

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

He'll still go back and forth to the US without issue I'd imagine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

Yes indeed, sadly the US is not a signatory

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The name of the game is sanctions. Russian can sustain itself under "nuclear" sanctions. Sanction Israel, and the comfortable lifestyle of illegal Lebensraum settlers will start to look rather unattractive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

ICC charges are directed at individuals, not entire countries. They wouldn't justify sanctions for the same reason governments don't sanction Saudi Arabia for being the home of bin Laden.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I couldn't think of a more absurd analogy. If Osama Bin Laden was Saudi Arabia's head of state, and 9/11 was carried out by the Saudi military, and Saudi was party to the Rome Statute, then maybe you make such an analogy. As it actually stands, Netanyahu's crimes were carried out by the state of Israel and that certainly has legal bearing inside the EU's courts, with very recent precedent - sanctions on Russia citing the ICC arrest warrant for Putin. And Russia is not even party to the Rome Statute - the state of Israel is, and would be violating by not giving Netanyahu up.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

crimes were carried out by the state

The same is true of others facing ICC charges. For example, Hamas leaders face ICC charges, but that does not justify sanctions against Palestine.

sanctions on Russia citing the ICC arrest

Sanctions against Russia couldn't cite the ICC charges, because they began long before Putin was charged by the ICC.

the state of Israel is

Like the US and Russia, Israel is not a party to the Rome Statute.

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