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[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-10-02-0065

I paste this everywhere because the narrative of lies has been ubiquitous:

There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections.

This was James Madison, ie the guy who came up with it. It exists to launder slave votes through their owners, nothing more. It's not about land, it's just about the south using the votes of people they don't let vote.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I never really understood the Rick and Morty joke until your comment: https://youtu.be/-ck-NLG_vIA.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It worked out better till England ended the slave trade, the South could just buy more votes whenever there was a concern.

After that they started going crazy and doing weird shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_(U.S._Constitution) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostend_Manifesto

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Yes indeed.

All votes should count as one. Just the idea that the votes of some people values more than others is undemocratic by principle. It's not the winner of the state that should decide as one state may have more people than others. What is democratic and must be placed is the TOTAL of votes is what must count.

We can count can't you?so why do any other way? The only reason one may want otherwise is because he or she thinks he or she may have something to gain with this crooked system

[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Anytime you see a map of the US with "preference by county", go ahead and pull up a map of the US at night from space next to it.

You'll see that once choice is generally where electricity is, and the other choice is where it's dark.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This doesnt check out because the earth is flat and space isnt real

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

This guy's already pregaming for the long dark into fascism

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Mostmaps people use to make some point, especially some political point, turn out to just be population density maps.

[–] prettybunnys 3 points 3 months ago

Which is why the overlay in this instance is so troubling.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

In an American election? Nah, most of those people won't vote, cause that's Vancouver.

[–] vaultdweller013 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We should correct the failure of the war of 1812 so that Vancouver can vote in American elections.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

As a non American from what I understand about the electoral collage is the land has more say.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Kind of?

The electoral college is no longer functioning as designed, and so voters in certain less populated areas have slightly more weight per vote than those in heavily populated areas. Only because the number of districts was artificially capped. So some districts have more people than several states do.

States also get two bonus votes for some reason.

The argument was that if someone posed a genuine threat to democracy and had a chance at winning the popular vote, the delegates could step in and vote for someone else.

A consequence of that, is that exactly the opposite can happen too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

slightly more weight per vote

Wyoming citizens count three times as much as California citizens

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

They should go to gym!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, this meme is backwards if it's supposed to be explaining the electoral college.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

It’s also a picture of Vancouver, Canada, so it’s wrong on all levels.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Land owners were the original voters.

The rest of us plebes didn't know what to do with such capital, so we had to yield to their "superior" vote.

This is why the right to vote has been such a constant fight across the centuries.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

~~Land~~ People owners were the original voters

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“Property owners” covers both and is more concise

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

I mean, this is semantic. People have been treated as property. Just like land has been treated as property. Is it right? Fuck no. Let’s build a world where this is not true, but right now and historically it is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Electoral College: your vote's power = (People / Arbitrarily Defined Land Area) because fuck you, that's why.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Yeah.... Anyone interested in this should look up gerrymandering bounderies. :/ we fu'ked.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

So what's an actual argument supporting that gerrymandering is more democratic? When I was younger, I natively assumed it was a system decided by some smart people to make it more fair for reasons I don't understand. Now that I'm older, I realize that the smart people know what they're doing but are morally evil and intentionally do this to support corruption.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Lousy firries

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Yup the majority rules.