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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah. They have always done extended support like this.

[–] fsxylo 13 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah I'm already switching to Linux next year, I don't need rage bait in my life.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 weeks ago

Isn't that just the standard MS has had for extended security updates for long? Basically just "fuck you if you don't want to upgrade your old ass system we're gonna charge for maintaining that shit"

I mean I get it, though understand why people don't want to hop to win11 but get on Linux then bitch

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

This is just the beginning of a yearly subscription for Windows OS. Just wait.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

By offering extended support? Same as they've done since at least windows 95?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh right. Uh, Bill Gates personally gave me AIDS.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is just the beginning of a thread of ragebait and misinformation. Windows has been doing this for yearrssssssss. Stop sensationalizing old news.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Normies will pay. They aint got nothing to hide and they are not poor!

Quit being poor, mate

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Normies won't pay for this wtf are you smoking? They're just gonna let their computer not be up to date and not care.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe you are right... This aint netlfix

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They'll just let Windows update their system to 11

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[–] hal_5700X 3 points 3 weeks ago

Why will they do that? That will kill Windows.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Nah, I would rather use free Linux.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It’s actually incredible how good Linux is, and it’s entirely free. No ads, no bullshit, just a rock solid OS. It’s staggering how small a proportion of people use it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

It’s amazing how much better an operating system can be when it’s built by the community.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Hannah Montana Linux btw?

[–] conciselyverbose 18 points 3 weeks ago

For one year.

They're not eligible to continue to get security updates after that (even though they'll still be doing them because businesses will).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How much for security updates for XP?

[–] arudesalad 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I want to meet the windows XP update team in 2024 😁

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

Sure they're down the hall, next to the Cobol room.

[–] Bakkoda 3 points 3 weeks ago

I work with automation in manufacturing facilities on the regular. Windows CE and XP are fuckin everywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

OK Looks like my little MS Surface is going to be running Linux.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

It is stupid easy to get Linux to run a surface

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tbh sounds fair. I mean keeping systems secure is not cheap task . If we can kep using w10 without all the “free AI “ shit , is not bad . I mean they will get their income from w11 from it on users… From users data. They should add windows clean with the office subscription and a not clean option . I would not say free. We are used to think that free is better, but there are a lot of time invested in development and updates. Linux free distros are not so secure, they even do a statement you have to agree to use them. that’s why companies pay Read hat .

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

...windows 10 was free to a lot of people; it's a pretty solid OS and i'd be happy to pay a fair price for ongoing support...

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[–] gravitas_deficiency 12 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Microsoft needs to sell its software (including OS) and they’ve always done so through manufacturers.

The average user, in their mind, doesn’t care about/want/have a choice for Windows, they just went to a shop to buy a computer, Windows was just on it. So for Microsoft, a public company who’s graphs need to keep going up forever, “increasing revenue from Windows” equates to “making people buy more computers” - this, in my opinion, is why they went down the TPM route (which consumers didn’t care about), and now, the “Copilot compatible” PC (whixh users don’t care about) routes. For the shareholders, you need a new computer, not an update to your existing one.

So this is where it gets interesting - a catch 22 for Microsoft - the average user doesn’t want a new computer (the internet works fine right), but Microsoft need their graphs to go up and they don’t want to work for free… BUT they can’t afford to have “Windows” become synonymous with “viruses” again (they bothered to make Windows defender for free for this reason), so if people don’t pay up, there could be millions of virus ridden computers and everyone will look for a new laptop “but not windows again” because of the viruses…

Mac instead? Maybe, but most laptops are sold for €300, not €1000+…

Current known, “safe consumer choice” brands (OEMs) and big box retailers are and will continue to be influenced/controlled/blackmailed by Microsoft’s license pricing and legal teams to maintain the status quo on the shelves and we’ll see what plays out.

This subscription talk then is big news, not just because of the controversy surround subscriptions generally, but because this could change the shape of supply and demand in the PC market significantly.

As always there won’t be one answer for everyone, but these are some ways it could play out.

  • Microsoft forgets the idea
  • Microsoft offers a free version supported by ads
  • Consumers pay up, even if it takes a generation
  • Consumers move to Apple
  • Major PC manufacturers and retailers spite Microsoft terms, and offer alternative OS’s
  • Smaller/new PC manufacturers rise, and offer alternative OS’s

Will people pay up? Will Chromebooks take over?

Or…

(Removes sunglasses)

…will 2025 be the year of the Linux desktop?

[–] Grass 4 points 3 weeks ago

Every year is the year of the linux desktop. Sure it has just as many problems as the others but it gets better every year and I certainly never felt the same about windows. Mac I don't have that reverse winding in my head that makes people find the apple UI's intuitive.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

alright how do I switch to linux

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

You embrace the Gospel of Truth from Sloppily Generated Arch Jesus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd say start out with Linux Mint (debian edition) if you need something simple. Bazziteos if you're a gamer. Jump around as you see fit. Maybe put it on a vm to test it out or make a ventoy usb to put a bunch of isos on and test them all out.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So.. Torrenting security patches will be a thing? That would be a bizarre usage of torrents I have to say

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I mean, this is nothing new.
People pirate extended support all the time, just look at LTSB/LTSC.
If ya dig enough you can probably find people Frankensteining patches from POSReady just so they can keep running Win7 lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

At this point am gonna use linux.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Do we get a refund when it fails prove secure?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As Steve Ballmer said.... Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux ....

On a slightly more serious note though: switch to Linux, jd if you still need windows for something, run it in a VM under Linux. Just don't pay for the license because fuck Microsoft

"We let known security holes in our products, causing even the US government to be hacked, because revealing tha they existed in the first place would cost customers and hurt our bottom and only line: money. But don't worry! Our CEO just promised we will never do it again, pretty smile".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

if youre dead set to keep windows, just disconnect it from the internet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

People argue that Internet should be treated as a utility because it's required so I'm not sure removing the Internet would really work.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Time to pirate my Windows updates

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

LMFAO, as if they won't end up piratable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You already paid for your OS? Too bad you're gonna pay again.

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