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[–] [email protected] 97 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty great. I have money and free time.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

Shout out to [email protected]

Edit: k, idk why you downvoted me, was trying to show you another sub with an audience directly for this question that you may want to also ask, but k go ahead and downvote me OP.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn’t downvote you but it’s probably bc Reddit’s original childfree subreddit is a special kind of toxic hellhole; even for Reddit… which is saying something.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

Most of Reddit was a toxic hellhole. It's why I'm not on Reddit anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's awesome. Sure, I have moments in life that suck regardless, but in those moments I always think to myself "Wow, this would be even worse if I had kids."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

In my mid 30's. Find myself thinking the same. Also when I'm feeling great it's "there's no way i could be enjoying this if i had to worry about kids"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup, exactly. It just seems like there's no time to relax when you have kids, you always have to be "on".

I used to take a bus home from work, and a woman that lived in my apartment took the same bus, so we always ended up walking into the building together. I'll never forget that EVERY time when she opened her apartment door, you could hear two little kids yell "MOMMY!" the second that door was opened. Maybe some people love that, but to me it always filled me with a sense of dread and exhaustion. Here was this woman who just spent a full day at work and now she has to come home and essentially start her second job of being with her kids, who of course want all her attention. I felt horrible for her, and it wasn't like she was skipping home all happy to see them, either.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Some people like it, which I'm happy for, they're the ones who should have children. But it's not for everyone and it shouldn't be stigmatized. I will happily pay taxes to fund kinder care and school. I see the value in society for kids. Just not in my own home.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just turned 50. Was childless by choice. But I Got custody of my 12 year old niece two years ago. (Very small family and There was no one else to take her.). I love her but I do miss my adult freedom.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

My condolences on losing your sibling. Wonderful of you to take her in.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I wanted kids when I was younger, but wasn't ready to give up my freedom. Once I was ready for kids the world (and the future in particular) looks so bleak that it doesn't seem fair to the theoretical kiddo to say 'hey, here's a dumpster fire - good luck'. Instead I babysit for my friends and family, spoil the kids around me, and sleep in on the weekend. I also have more time for activism and trying to ensure a brighter future for kiddos.

No regrets.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 weeks ago

It’s good. Don’t have to worry about paying for any of it.

Elementary school

Middle school

High school

College

Helping out after they finish college and haven’t found a job

All the stuff during the summer

Not having to hear “ but why?!” Every ten seconds

Not having to worry about how they’ll survive in this fucked up world.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I sort of see the appeal of having kids, but I can barely keep things together for myself. There's no way I can support myself and kids. Even with my boyfriends income and mine, it's just not realistic.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the key behind the fertility crisis of first world countries. SHITS TOO EXPENSIVE. A house is 10 years worth of income, college like 3 years worth, a car (which needs to be replaced every 5-10 years) around a years worth, plus food, bills, taxes and all of this other shit makes it impossible.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

Yearly childcare is a years worth of income in plenty of places, so there's that too.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They told me I'd change my mind about not wanting kids when I got older. I'm still waiting for it to change.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly it kind of sucks.

I always wanted a kid but it requires a partner who is able to be a parent and I have never had such a partner.

I had a pretty fucked up childhood and I wanted someone who could be a good mother to a child and everyone I've dated who had the ability to be a good mother was not capable of giving birth for one reason or another and everyone I've dated who's capable of giving birth was not capable of being a good mother for one reason or another.

I know it's not too late for me but it's getting pretty damn close.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Adoption could be an alternative maybe

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago

Pardon my French but it feels fucking awesome. I've been able to travel the world. I have developed hobbies that I wouldn't be able to do so with kids. I have saved a lot of money and I have been able to advance my career.

As for passing my knowledge/experience, I volunteer at various charities where I can influence young minds. I don't believe that passing on genes down the line is the best I can do. The best I can do is to help young people achieve their goals.

Now, to address few some clichés. On my deathbed I will get the glass of water from a highly paid nurse. The "warm bed" is not the issue for me. When I go I will leave my possessions to a charity of my choice.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Seriously like the most obvious fucking life hack.

Also, it's generally super weird how everyone tries really hard to convince you that you are wrong about it. Like I could take all of the collective time people have spent trying to give me unsolicited input on some other random topic, and it wouldn't even add up to a tenth of the time I've spent on the "why don't you want kids?" Conversation. I'm sorry but that's sus as fuck. Like some actual brain slug shit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

it’s generally super weird how everyone tries really hard to convince you that you are wrong about it

My theory is that (volontary) childless people are less predictable to others. If you only have to take care of yourself, you need less resources (read: money) for that. An employer that knows his employee has children to care for can be treated worse in terms of working conditions and salary/ wages, because the employer knows that this employee can't afford to quit the job, because of the responsibility for the child(ren).

If an emloyee is known to have no children, it makes him unpredictable. He could get up after a good yelling at the workplace, say "fuck it" and leave. He only has to take care for himself. Also, that employee can accumulate more money since it has not to be spent on the needs of children. That means, the employee has a bigger and longer lasting financial cushion.

Something similar applies when credits/ loans have to be paid. Having debt is a considered a "good" thing, since people are less prone to quit their jobs. On a personal level, the goal should be to become debt free as soon as possible. Not only it will result in financial freedom, it will also enhance your "fuck-it-ablilty".

Another theory for those convincing people is that they envy your lifestyle of tranquility and spontaneousness. These people have been bullied into having children by their peer groups, because "that is the thing to do", and "you owe grandchildren". There are so many parents out there who would be better off if they never had children, but their relatives had convinced them otherwise.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago

It feels amazing.

I wake up to a quiet, clean house every day.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

Happy I didn't fuck up my life and the lives of my progeny by birthing them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Sad and empty. I love kids. I had fertility treatments for years, but that did not work out. I will start IVF again in a couple of days. Hopefully it will work this time. It is one of my last chances.

I would like to adopt or have foster kids. However, I suffer from PTSD and in my country it is very difficult to adopt or foster if you have a background with mental illness. Even though my psychologist and the people in my environment all say that they think I would be able to do it and my partner does not have any mental illness, my chances are very low.

To be honest, looking any further than the next IVF makes me panic. I do not know how to live with not having kids and how to deal with that. I had a lot of bad stuff happen to me. Having children would be something I believe would have made me very happy. It feels like I failed at life. However, I just turned 40, so I know I need to give up at some point.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 weeks ago

Feels like the best decision I ever made.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly? Kinda lonely. I'll be 40 in a few months. I'm a woman, if the perspective matters .

I was engaged to the man I thought I'd marry and have kids with, but it didn't turn out to be the case, and although I learned how to choose better and what to look out for, I also wonder if I'm ever going to get to have a family of my own. It's been 6 years now since that fell apart, and I had to do a lot in that time to get back onto my feet, but the few relationships I've had since then are fleeting. Men seem afraid of commitment now, and it's hard not to completely fall to the idea that I'm just too old, which is what society is consistently screaming at me.

I don't feel old.

I am tired of searching though. At some point I will get to where I'm too old and that makes me sad to think about.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

At some point we're too old to have biological children, yes, but my 72 year old father has been in a new relationship for about a year and they seem super happy together.

(Edited for clarity.)

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago

Best decision my (now ex) wife and I ever made. Not because we are divorced now. But because

a) I'm free to live my own life. and

b) Even back when kids was an option, she and I both kind of saw the world that was coming and decided that we didn't want to subject our children or grandchildren to the world that was turning to shit.

Looking around today, I feel absolutely vindicated for taking that stance back in the early 2000's when I was married.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago

Like Freedom. I love my niece and nephew and enjoy spending time with them. But if I had to feed, clothe, clean up after, provide for, and entertain them 24 hours a day (not even considering when they were babies!)... I literally cannot imagine it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Every member of my lineage: "I will never do to my kids what my parents did to me" before doing exactly that.

Me: "I will never do to my kids what my parents did to me" fucking aced it

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I’ve gone from worrying what would have happened in my children’s lifetime to worrying what will happen within my lifetime so I’m good.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Erm… normal I guess. I don’t know what it would feel like with children.

What I do know is I would be a terrible parent, I only got my shit together in my late thirties and I wouldn’t have been a good parent, so it’s good for the kids that I didn’t have any.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago

Good, made a decision decades ago to have a vasectomy as there are way to many people in the world and misquoting Thoreau, what use a kid if no livable planet to raise them on ?

I always felt if the need to be a parent overwhelmed, I could adopt any number of abandoned kids.

I like kids but I'd fell way to guilty about having any. Not having them also let me retire at 35 and pursue my own interests, I'm now 58.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Something that only occurred to me just now is that when I was in my 20s and early 30s and still assumed I'd have children (despite that looming self imposed pressure feeling exactly like dread), the parent-child relationship I had imagined in my head was set in the past.

I grew up in the 90s and early 00s. I'm an elder millennial. I think my gen was very lucky in that we got to see and enjoy the rapid emergence of technology before today's capitalistic enshittification but our interpersonal dynamics and everything we did didn't rely on it either. So the 'come home when it gets dark' or 'I'll meet you at 4 at the cinema' mentality was still strong. No social media or inability to switch off the connection to other people.

We also didn't have the existential crises that come with thinking about climate change, the death of truth and the rise of misinformation, and the next pandemic.

So when I was picturing raising a child it was in a dated context that for the most part doesn't exist anymore. Yes there's exceptions to everything - I'm speaking in a very general sense - but I cannot imagine myself growing up in today's world. I had a hard enough time back then, with similar struggles most kids have. How the fuck would I help my own child navigate it???

No thanks.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It sucks. I don’t have children because I’m barely functional. Can barely keep a roof over my own head, let alone maintain a romantic relationship.

I’ve wanted kids for a long time, but the only relationship that showed promise of that ended with a bunch of cheating and abuse. I eventually realized even if I was willing to put up with it, I couldn’t subject my kids to having her as a mother.

So I’m going on 42 and don’t know if I’m gonna make it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

I love it but even in high school, I knew I didn’t want kids. People told me seeing my friends have kids would cause me to change my mind but it only reinforced my preference. Having kids is a huge amount of work and commitment (not to mention the expense). I love to travel and I’ve been able to go to places and do things you can’t (or just wouldn’t want to) do with kids. I also like that I was able to take risks with my career. It’s much easier to start a business or join an early stage company or whatever if you don’t need the stability kids need.

So, for me, it’s amazing. I feel for people who want kids but never had them, though. I know a few and they’re happy — freedom is a nice consolation prize — but it wasn’t their dream.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Mixed, but mostly okay.

Pros: The world is massively overpopulated already. Our genes aren't particularly noteworthy. I'm not very optimistic about the future. People's happiness generally seems a lot less than it was when I was younger and I don't see that changing.

Cons: Not being able to pass anything on - my knowledge and experience, ironically much of which was gained through having time that would have been unavailable if I had had kids. As we both get older, our own care is concerning. Doing physical things around our smallholding is getting harder and a pair of young hands would be nice.

I don't begrudge other people having kids. We tried once but lost it and that kind of took the excitement out of it for us. Before we knew it, it was too late anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

Amazing. I'm not willing to exercise the permanent sacrifices that having kids entails.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not good around kids, so I made a decision to be without children pretty early on. So, to answer your question, I guess it feels... normal? It's hard to describe in more detail, because I don't have a reference to compare it to.

That said, I've seen what kind of struggles - emotional, financial or otherwise - my kid-having friends and family have been going through and I would be a liar if I said I never thought "I'm glad I don't have to go through this shit" more than on one occasion.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

My life didn’t start until my 40s and so I’m really grateful to have the opportunity to discover myself and do the things that I want to do and not be tied down to the needs of others. It feels amazing.

I do want to add, I never wanted kids or get married. My childhood dream was to connect to my inner compass, be authentic and express myself freely. I am grateful to be able to actualize this.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I'm 38, wife is 40, absolutely heartbreaking. We've been trying for 5 years, went to the NHS for IVF, but because of the pandemic we "aged out" of multiple rounds. The one go we had didn't result in pregnancy, and if we can't conceive with as many rounds as we can afford private were planning to adopt. Which is pretty difficult in the UK actually.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

I'm in way over my head as it is. I can't even imagine what it would be like having to be responsible for some gremlins, as well. We do not even dare get a cat (or two - you should always get two so they're not lonely) for the same reason. Good thing my SO sees it exactly the same way. We're both glad we didn't have children.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Fine. Sometimes sad. I dated someone with a kid for a while and the good parts were good. But now I'm old so it's kind of moot.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I wish we had. I'm regretting it more as I get older.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Joyful, peaceful, content, fulfilled, educated, energetic, with a diverse set of wonderful friends, and a fun, flexible lifestyle. I retired early and wake up every day (whenever I feel like waking up) in a place I love. I laugh a lot and have a close “chosen family” who always has each other’s back. I wouldn’t trade it for the world.

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