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[–] [email protected] 21 points 13 hours ago

COVID didn't have a solution based around people being the main character.

Unless you wanted to cause trouble. Then you could be the main character.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 19 hours ago

Preppers: I'm ready for anything; economic collapse, zombies, apocalypse, sinkholes, foreign invasion, aliens...anything!

[covid-19 hits]

Preppers: fuck this i'm not wearing a mask! it's all a hoax!

Also preppers: I need to go to the store and buy 27 cases of toilet paper!

[–] [email protected] 31 points 21 hours ago (17 children)

I'm a person that most people would consider a prepper. What am I prepping for? Unemployment. Being able to survive with as few possible inputs as possible.

I'm a hard core skeptical nerd that doesn't believe a single conspiracy theory. I'm like an anti doomsday prepper. Making life easier even if things don't go bad.

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[–] [email protected] 167 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There’s a Simpson’s episode about preppers where they assume the big bad thing happens and fuck off to their bunkers, stuff happens, and they eventually come back to town. When they come back everyone is happy and doing fine and Marge says something like “things were okay after the first few hours. We all worked together and made it work. It was like all the mean, angry, and resentful parts of the town had just disappeared!”

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago

preppers don't want to be dependent on society because they don't like society, but they're not bright enough to realize they will always be dependent on society

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 20 hours ago

I don’t think preppers are a monolith. There are people from different backgrounds, different politics, different concerns, and different methods (and degrees) of preparedness. People who make it about hoarding goods and resources are probably just doing it wrong.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So… Yeah, doomsday preppers definitely showed their true colors.

But I think we also saw that there’s a lot of merit to being a reasonable prepper.

I’m lucky to have a reasonable prepper in my friend group. Because of their insistence, I had masks, a full tank of gas, and a comfortably-stocked pantry way ahead of time so I wasn’t yet another person adding stress to a lean/just-in-time/low-margin distribution system that can’t handle even minor hiccups.

Much like the goal of lockdowns was not to completely stop the spread but just slow it so our healthcare system could handle it, the goal of prepping should be to avoid causing shortages when our productive capacity is lowered.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Drag thinks prepping is about learning useful skills and building community. A prepper should know how to sew, how to garden, how to repair and operate a radio, how to make friends, how to organise labour, and first aid.

Drag wants to see a zombie show about a grandma who looks after her community, resolves interpersonal disputes, fixes clothes, and looks after the little ones. Drag thinks grandmas are the demographic best prepared for an apocalypse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Kickass apocalypse grannies, fuck yeah

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

This was also the plot of Mad Max: Fury Road, by the way

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

I don't consider myself a prepper, but I do prepare for unlikely scenarios with highly negative outcomes. In terms of expected value vs. investment, I think having a "go" or "get home" bag is cheap and useful. I have two weeks of food and water supplies to shelter in place. I have face masks and hazmat suits (they came vacuum sealed so they just sit in the bottom of the shelter in place Tupperware bin). A solar generator and battery. A few medkits and some basic medicines including prescription antibiotics. And then my camping/hiking stuff: so more mres, water purification, water filter, fire kit etc.

All in all, it didn't cost much, it doesn't take up much room, and it's good to have. I'm not necessarily worried about a revolution so much as, in order if likelihood: a bad storm, electrical grid issues, natural disaster, or mild civil unrest. All of which I've been through before, so I guess they're not exactly black swan events. I wouldn't really call those "SHTF" events, since, again, I've experienced each one and yet things are now fine.

What I consider "preppers" are thinking about (and seemingly hoping for) civilizational collapse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Make sure the antibiotics don't expire. Most of them just become useless when they expire, but Tetracycline becomes poisonous when it expires. Also, not all antibiotics are good for all infections, so make sure the ones you have are useful for the kinds of infections you anticipate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Good to know about tetracycline, but drugs don't magically become useless after an arbitrary expiry date.

Most prescription medicines are still quite effective after the expiration date. Various studies have shown they're still effective even decades after the expiration date.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7040264/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

As someone who works in medicine, I would just caution you to take that with a grain of salt, especially since they repeatedly mention the storage of said medications. Not all pill bottles are airtight, and if you keep them somewhere that isn't always less than 75 degrees Fahrenheit or so, I wouldn't trust them more than a year past the expiration date. Note also, when they say "cool, dark place" that is not accounting for freezing temperatures which can also mess with the medications.

All this to say: if you have emergency medications, cycle them out with new ones as often as possible, and store them in airtight containers in a climate controlled area of your house.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

This strikes me as a classic early-med-student response. Your appear to be missing the point of the study and the broader research behind drug expiration. The journal touches on storage conditions twice, but largely in the context of resource-limited areas. The researchers, with advanced degrees and extensive knowledge in medication degradation by the way, have supported their claims with evidence from multiple studies. For example, a review by Lyon et al. (2006) and the Shelf-Life Extension Program (SLEP) studies echo similar conclusions. There are also additional peer-reviewed articles that come to the same conclusions.

Blister packs, like those my medication is in, provide an airtight seal, so your blanket advice on storage is off the mark. Even if they weren't in blister packs, the article and sources note that degradation is generally minimal, even if stored in a non air-tight-sealed container. Additionally, guessing a random one-year rule ignores peer-reviewed science. For someone in medical school, it would be better for you to focus on understanding the research and deferring to it when appropriate rather than stretching to offer input on irrelevant conditions. I appreciated your point on tetracycline and noted it, but beyond that, your comment seems more about proving you know something than contributing to this specific conversation.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

Yeah I fill up some whisky bottles with tap water and keep them in the cupboard. I guess in an insane scenario I might need to use it as drinking water, though I'd probably want to figure out how to boil that water first since it's been sitting there for awhile.

I have actually used that water... but just to wash my hands when they turn off the water in the building when they're doing some maintenance.

Sometimes some disaster preparedness is just useful for relatively banal circumstances.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I know a guy who owns a retired nuclear missile silo that he made into a doomsday bunker/business. The top several floors or so with the old control rooms and stuff has been converted into his bunker, but most of the main silo is flooded with water, so it's a scuba diving attraction.

Anyway: when Covid came his bunker and years of food and fuel, so he and the wife went out there and used it for their lockdown. I'm happy for him that he got to use it.

They took out the old control rooms and completely remodeled the inside into a pretty comfy house. It's just underground and has 3-ton blast doors.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Me, buying some extra rice, pasta and salt, watching my neighbor buying large game butchering knife kit (we live in the suburbs)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago

Sounds like a smart guy. He gets meat AND all your dried goods!

[–] pugsnroses77 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

my dads a mild prepper and had his 'told you so' moment when he brought up 2 boxes of n95 masks. he donated a box to hospital and the other box got the family through the worst months

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Saw an episode of doomsday preppers years ago. These dudes had a whole property out in Oregon or Washington state designed to endure a potential onslaught of zombies.

They had to quickly evacute their property and leave all their fancy stuff, because of a very real forest fire that came to visit, for which they were entirely unprepared.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 day ago (9 children)

As a guy who built shit for preppers (because some of them are stupid as fuck and have gobs of money from some shady bs) this is spot on.

Preppers are fucking losers. The cunts who want WW3 deserve no love.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago

I felt silly for buying a 63 gallon, foldable/portable water tank for my small farm because the vast majority of the ones I looked at were marketed towards preppers.

I just want my animals to have water in case the power goes out for a few days.

But the way things like that are marketed makes it sound like your the smartest, bestest, most prepared person to ever walk this earth. I don't need you to stroke my ego, just sell a foldable water tank with no leaks please.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago

I'm proud that in that time of crisis I was strong and served my country and fellow citizens, simply by staying home and not bothering anyone.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I'm in the "be prepared" group where we usually have a couple weeks of food and water around. We also have two forms of heat for when the power goes out.

Will we survive WW3 on this? No, but it has been very helpful after big winter storms that took out the city power.

Having some supplies to use in the short term is good for everyone. Being ready to go out to help neighbors and get the community back on its feet is how we get through to the next good times.

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