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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Huh, weird, access to sexual education, contraception, and medical termination should the above fail, allows women to wait until they are more financially settled and independent. And as a result, a lot of whoopsie-babies are never born, lowering the overall birth rate.

That's what I get from this diagram, at least. Birthrate among women under college-age is down, birthrate above college-age is up.

This is a good thing. The older moms, not the declining rate. The declining rate is worrying because our society relies on younger generations to prop up and care for the older ones.

Now let's keep doing what we are doing, and then find ways to make people who want to have kids less nervous about the massive financial, career, and time commitments of them. The costs of food, childcare, education, housing. and healthcare (in the US) is absurd.

Each of my kids deliveries alone "cost" more than the used minivan we cart them around in. I put cost in quotes, because that's what the insurance "paid".

But of course, my insurance premiums each year also cost more than that minivan, too. At least they are pre-tax.

I got a kid in second grade and he will probably be in college by the time I'm done paying for my wife's state college loans.

I, fortunately, got into a very well paying career after dropping out a semester into college, and I happen to have a natural aptitude for it. I recognize I lucked my way into my station, I'd be foolish to forget it. But honestly I have no idea how we'd do it if I didn't. We make 4x the median household income for my area and every time we manage to save a little bit, something always comes around to clear out 90% of it. It's incredibly demoralizing.

I know the childfree folks (and most Republicans) hate the idea of their taxes paying for medicaid, or college, or even public school (or even free lunches there!). But the fact is that an educated and healthy generation below us is usually the most important things for society to invest in. Now we also have to worry about keeping the planet habitable for them.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The reason why people aren't having kids anymore isn't because of abortion, its because: wages are decreasing (accounting for inflation), the cost of living is skyrocketing (yes even accounting for inflation), the cost of owning a home is now far too much for young people, people are working longer and more stressful hours in worse jobs for worse bosses, public areas have been destroyed leading to less in person interaction, online dating is toxic, the internet has given people heightened expectations, an unresolved mental health crisis, and people are finally becoming responsible enough to understand that you shouldn't have kids you cant afford.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

online dating is toxic

I've read some good evidence is that this is because women, especially zoomer and millennial women, are considerably more liberal than the men in their peer group. Historically, women have always been more liberal than men, but the difference between them has gotten extreme in the last 10 years. Being a Trump supporter is a deal-breaker for many single women.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Great news - the fewer Trumpers who reproduce, the better.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Online dating is incredibly toxic for gay men, too, so this isn't something that can be completely explained by a shift in women's ideology.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's completely reasonable, why would a women date a man who thinks that she doesn't own her own body (not all but a significant amount of Trump supporters believe that). In addition women are more liberal because primarily their rights have and are being threatened by Trump, furthermore women are more likely to be sympathetic to other minorities who may loose their rights as well. On top of that young conservative men are very often completely delusional in terms of dating expectations. Many of them demand an extremely young person (18-20), demand they be stay at home, demand many children, while not having a job capable of upholding such a lifestyle because they cannot accept that the world we live in is not the same one our grandparents lived in. In addition young conservatives (especially young Trump supporters) tend to have completely unreasonable demands and expectations due to them being terminally online and a very poor understanding of women.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It's even worse than that. They want women to work full time, keep all the housework done, assume all the work with the child after work, while cooking dinner, washing up, stay looking fantastic, never complain and oh, mow the lawn while I'm playing golf/bball/football on Saturday, and don't forget Suzie has ballet on Wednesday, Bobby has detention on Friday, and football practice on Saturday.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Losing my job and seeing there's about 100 times more people applying for IT jobs than there are IT jobs made me go from "maybe" to "nah" in the procreation question. Too many people already procreated too many times before me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You just listed 6 reasons why people are losing their minds then casually throw out "being responsible enough to not have kids they can't afford"

Which is if? Everyone's losing their goddamn minds of people have their shit together? Which is it damn it!!

/S

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I forgot that only one thing can be true at once, its actually none of the reasons listed. The true reason is that the 5g radio waves connect with the vaccine autism to produce gay frog chemicals (that are spread by chemtrails in planes piloted by lizard people) so that everyone becomes trans.

/s /j

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

well that is because shareholders are wetting their pants realizing that with low birth rates they are losing both slaves and customers. Well, jokes on them, it is because of the shitty world they spearheaded (and that we followed)

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

I think this is where a lot of modern civilization is falling apart at. If you want population replacement and growth, you actually have to make it advantageous to have children, and at appropriate age for your society and culture. The GOP thinks they can do it by destroying reproductive rights, civil rights, and marriage laws, if they harm women enough they'll HAVE to be baby makers! Dehumanized baby factories! And even conservative voters are fighting against it, because it's insane and it's against our current culture. It has to work for everyone. It would be more intelligent to create free childcare, better pregnancy and birth leave for both parents, and child tax credits. They could use WIC to absorb the cost of having a child and public education sooner with preschool. If people are hopeful their children will have high education access and a stable life they will be a lot more likely to have kids. Being horrified that your children will live in a fascist theocracy and intentionally kept uneducated and poverty stricken, they might actually voluntarily avoid sex to not have kids.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

What if we don't want infinite growth? What about stability? Or (gasp) a population reduction so we don't destroy the planet. Have less babies. Feed the ones we have. Educate them.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Sure, easing into a deflating population over several hundred years is fine but tanking it and ending up with a society having to support a vastly older population ain't easy either. Better for governments to provide positive reasons to have children but there's zero chance of that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We won't starve our old people, there's plenty of wealth to go around, it's just that a tiny portion of the population has stolen it all. Maybe even the average person will have to make some sacrifices if birth rates don't stay at a certain level but our lifestyles are hugely inflated compared to even 50 years ago.

We can live sustainable lives with a reducing population, our productivity per capita is higher than it's ever been, we're all just seeing so little of it.

Instead of Musks and Bezos, instead of all of our creative minds working in advertising and finance, instead of 10 different streaming services, we can have a good quality of life for everyone.

Our economy being efficient is the biggest lie. The economy is only profitable, and it only has good outcomes when those outcomes are aligned with profit. It's time for a new economy that serves the people

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Pay people a living wage and their gonna live.

Pay people more than a living wage and their gonna create more life.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have a modest proposal.

Let’s all just skip a generation and no one have kids this time. We can easily start having kids again later with a nice clean slate.

Good idea, right?

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[–] [email protected] 256 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Don't worry, Republicans will solve this by banning abortion and birth control nationwide!

They are always thinking of the children.

[–] [email protected] 172 points 3 days ago (6 children)

And legalizing marriage to minors. And outlawing comprehensive sexual education.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 3 days ago (3 children)

A few Republicans also rape and traffic minors just to show how dedicated they are to countering the declining birth rate!

Pizzagate was projection.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 3 days ago (11 children)

There was a theory that roughly 15 years after Roe v Wade crime started decreasing because people who weren't ready for or didn't want children could now have an abortion. Many of those kids that were previously born "unwanted" were in poor households and so the kids getting to about 15 years old in those conditions would start getting into trouble and start committing crimes.

For any fuckwit that says "make better decisions then! Use protection!" I'm the result of a broken condom, that shit absolutely happens. I was a "pleasant surprise." Honestly I wish they'd have just had the abortion.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago (8 children)

My sister had her first child because her birth control failed due to another medication making it less effective.

No one warned her about that being a thing that can happen with that particular med. Not her doctor. Not the pharmacist. No one said a thing.. which is super fucked up. She was married at the time, but still. They were not ready for a kid(their words)

This was almost 20 years ago so I don't remember which med it was, and I'm hoping the medical community is better about this now.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's really honestly amazing that there are so many people in this world that don't understand that, A, married couples use birth control and have regular sex and, B, that birth control can fail.

Are they all incels are something?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Unfortunately, a lot of people who are under the influence of religion believe that marriage is for creating children, and many of those people received very little to no sex ed.

The ideas that "every child is a blessing" and "God will provide" are used to handwave away the importance of people's bodily autonomy and to deflect the reality that people can and should have access to the resources to chose if, when and how many children they have.

I've taken to calling them reproductive luddites. They're afraid of contraceptive technology.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly I wish they'd have just had the abortion.

Asafum, I don't know you, but I am almost certain the world is a better place with you in it.

Hope you encounter a nice autumn breeze (assuming from the instance) or a nice whatever you like this week. Despite, I agree, the world being a bit of a hole in general.

Me, I've been enjoying the sun on the leaves this spring.

Kind regards, This Australian anon

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I appreciate the kind words! I was pleasantly surprised to find my phone has an astrophotography mode so I've been trying to enjoy that on clear nights :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Oh that sounds neato, thanks for sharing friend

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

That person and the author of the article obviously suck at reading/understanding graphs. Teen pregnancies did not have a high enough percentage (and it’s good that it went down).

Also, how do you miss the drop in the age range 20 - 24 and the rise in the age ranges above 30. It’s even indicated in the title to “40 is the new 20”.

This is indicative of a bad economy. I bet if you add a graph showing the rise in rent, you will see an inverse correlation.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

I bet if you add a graph showing the rise in rent, you will see an inverse correlation.

Or about inequality of income.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

It's almost like if people are able to mature enough to make an informed choice, they get a choice.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Tbf. Norway has a fertility rate of 1,4 I think. And that is in a country with (compared to many other places) quite generous benefits like a year paid maternity/paternity leave. Relative cheap and abundant kindergartens and a less horrible work situation. Think everyone are feeling the zeitgeist

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

People want stability before they have kids. Generous government benefits matter little if you're living in a cardboard box. No one wants to raise a child in a cardboard box. Look up the cost of housing in the Nordic countries. They aren't the socialist paradise you're making them out to be.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Not to call out OP, but does anyone have this information in anything other than .png format? There's no timestamps, hyperlinks, or citations anywhere here. I'd love to send this to other people, but I'm not about to copy-pasta something that could be old or inaccurate.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not the exact image posted, but this appears to be the source

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db477.htm

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Poland has super strict abortion bans in 2021. Wait until 2035 to see that place turn into a shithole

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago

It was never about stopping abortion. It’s about keeping people in poverty and creating a cycle of uneducated voters that either don’t vote or vote Republican because they don’t know better

[–] Corkyskog 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I think the 20-24 line is hinting at a bad economy.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 days ago (55 children)

please stop having babies ffs

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I think it's fine to have kids if you want them but the government trying to get people to have more kids for economic reasons is sickening

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 days ago (15 children)
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