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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.
Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
Thou shalt not criticise the Russian invasion of Ukraine on .ml
Oh hey, it's Yog. He's one of my favourite tankies. He looooves russia! That includes modern Russia. Hates gay people, trans, and Muslims, despises them, and loves Putin and his hypercapitalist oligarchy.
The strangest thing is that he's not Russian at all lol. He's just obsessed with it, like... unhealthily, dating back almost a decade. Definitely one of the weirder ones.
also in the future, I recommend using lemmy's own image storage or imgchest. Imgur doesn't embed and is generally really scummy.
Yog has a weird sense of humor. I suppose it is funny to tankies but for everyone else it just is weird.
Also the tankie community tends to idolize him for some unknown reason.
It's because he posts about 25-50 posts a day, everyday, nonstop for... oh man... ages.
Maybe tankies are just this generation's weaboos.
My image host of choice was imgbb until I found out that pics from there are automatically blocked on a lot of the fediverse because it was being used for CSAM. I'm not on lemmy though, so would using lemmy's hosting actually work?
Just link to the image directly so it's embedded, rather than linking to a website that embeds the image but also lots of other stuff
Makes sense. I'll update it when I get home
They're pathetic.
Just look at @[email protected]
Dude has several profiles which all deny Russia having done anything wrong, say Uighur genocide isn't happening and yet pretends they're not pro-Russian, while actively avoiding answering any questions, mainly "are you pro-Russian".
Literally denies that Russia even has propagnda.
It's genuinely ridiculous.
Any mention of them being pro Russian shills will be removed from .ml
They don't even own their behaviour, fucking 🤡
Oh yeah anytime I ask him (that is @[email protected], I know you read these but don't have the balls to reply) I get banned from the communities he's a mod on, for like 24 hours.
Apparently it's "stalking" to name a user. Pathetic idiot, like everyone else like him. I just saw a very similar account from .ml (same sort of pseudopolite propaganda). Like [email protected] or something. You'll also note how the like to gave pronouns in their nicks, because they think theyre being sly, thinking people's would read it and go "well Russians arent into saying what their pronouns are, must be a Westerner".
One thing they don't realise is that people don't consider themselves "Westerners" in the "West".
They're just all around pathetic.
Apparently it's "stalking" to name a user
Yes I have seen this tactic used before. They get triggered when factuly incorrect wall post have holes pocked by easily verifiable facts.
The dedication to shilling Russia is unwavering. But what would make an adult person do this outside of being paid?
The dedication to shilling Russia is unwavering. But what would make an adult person do this outside of being paid?
I keep wondering the same thing. Well, first off, there are actually Russian getting paid for that. We shouldn't pretend professionally disinformation accounts don't exist. Secondly, perhaps they're not adults?
I just wonder what kind of a moron you have to be to be able to understand the conversation and everything online, but still be pro-Russian.
Like... why?
But what would make an adult person do this outside of being paid?
MICE - Money, Ideology, Coercion, Ego. Money doesn't necessarily mean being a paid shill, BTW - Alex Jones from InfoWars makes his money selling supplements, for instance.
I don't think they're being coerced or making money from their audience, so Ideology or Ego.
I mean, with all due respect, tagging someone specifically to pick a fight with them where they weren't involved is pretty rude. Even if the person is a dickhead.
where they weren't involved
He was. Several times. I never "stalked" him in the slightest. With all due respect, lying through your teeth that you're not pro-Russian while actively posting pro-Russian propaganda and then having a tantrum and banning anyone who notes you're being irrational is pretty rude.
This notion of politeness in this way, in the context of actual disinformation, doesn't really work. You can't expect me to be polite to someone who advocates for crimes against humanity, can you?
Yeah, it is rude, but you're also making him right to accuse you of harassing behaviour if you're doing this
If I mention his nickname once a month when the topic of disinformation actors on his specific instance comes up?
No, I'm not. That is not harassment in any way. I don't stalk his profile, I don't follow his posts or comments. I just know of him.
Mentioning a username does not harassment constitute.
Okay, let me rephrase then: if anyone ever tagged me four times on one post for no reason other than to argue with me, I would block that person
no reason other than to argue with me
What do you think forums are for?
I really don't care whether yo... he blocks me, as he doesn't engage in good faith debate, but pretend to. He pretends to be an American, denies the existence of Russian propaganda, says that Ukraine is committing a genocide bt defending against the Russian invasion, and very often inserts himself into discussions of American politics, as an American.
One of the clearest Russian trolls I've ever seen. I don't care what he thinks of me, personally. I care about fighting disinformation. You don't...?
That's your right. But yeah I don't think tagging somebody who is. Being discussed is harassment. It is not direct. Other person can ignore or block.
People need to keep the record straight tho. They have a right to their shilling, we have a right to document that we disagree and provide our side of the story.
Whole point of censorship is not permit the other side to respond.
The point isn't to argue I think, it's to inform others that he's not credible (and he's free to 'defend' himself via argument of course).
He’s not just a community mod he’s an instance admin
Why the fuck does lemmy.world federate with lemmy.ml?
Its clearly a disinfo instance if the instance admin is a literal pro-Russian account. I checked. He's currently arguing that Ukrainians are commuting genocide on Russia by defending against the Russian invasion, while denying Uighur genocide is a thing.
Sick bastard
Yeah it’s a pretty big L for the instance and Lemmy as a whole from a growth perspective. the devs of Lemmy are admins of .ml, and lemmygrad.
You can block instances at least now which is an alright solution, but you can still their comments on other instances
Oh I don't ignore disinformation. I challenge it.
Just like I challenge @[email protected]. Because he will never be able to address me in this conversation.
I don't block instances, Skyler. Instances block me.
I don't block instances, Skyler. Instances block me.
Chad🐸
well Russians arent into saying what their pronouns are, must be a Westerner".
One thing they don't realise is that people don't consider themselves "Westerners" in the "West".
Ofcourse not! I identify as NATOan
That's fascism and imperialism for you. Everyone is an enemy and they belong to the same group. Weak and ever-present.
Yeah that's exactly the type of shit I'm talking about.
…he’s also an admin of the instance
Hahaha really? Ohmygod that makes it even more ridiculous and obvious.
Hey @[email protected] come on here, comes avoid answering whether you're pro-Russian or not. :D
they love their hypercapitalist russia!
Well reasoned arguments. Sure would be nice if they’d have enough spine over there to try to rebut your actual points but that would make the acoustics less conductive to echos
The factual support for the ideology that forms their entire identity is thin and fragile as their ego.
Salty mod lol
Funnily enough, the person I was talking to actually was a mod of the community (and also OP of the post), but for all of their directly-from-the-Kremlin lines they weren't the one that deleted all of the dissent in the comments. So, uhh... credit to that mod, I guess?
You got to take the win where you can
What do you expect from people who LARP USSR as something good..
Yogthos is notorious Russia shill, I am pretty sure tankie is just the cover for the Op
How do you see this mod reasoning for banning? An ask lemmy Q came across my feed and someone said basically “thanks to the PRC, in our lifetimes we will see manned missions to mars, fusion energy” yadda yadda yadda china will usher in utopia nonsense. I basically said, “lol WTF are you on about” and got banned. That’s when I noticed it was a .ml community. The mod response (I believe) said “go back to Reddit.”
Some true tankie shit. I wanted to see a record of the interaction and the mod reasoning for deleting the comment and (I believe) banning me.
It's just on the mod log. It may vary by instance. The one showing the reason in this post is lemmy.ml's modlog, the one showing the mod's name is kbin.earth's
