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[–] [email protected] 259 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When your ego is so huge that it doesn't even occur to you that the person you're lying about will almost certainly see and publicly expose your lie.

Queerphobic, misogynistic asshole. I'm glad she called him out.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Idk much about him, but I keep reading here and there that he was terrible. How did he manage to write Star Trek episodes if he was those things?

[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You can be brilliant in some ways while being useless or a POS in other ways.

Steve Jobs was an excellent salesman and marketer. He was an awful father and thought that a fruit-only diet would cure pancreatic cancer. Then, when he realised his curable cancer became incurable because of inaction, he jumped the organ donor queue (because apparently in the US money lets you do that), which not only didn't help him, but also likely killed someone else who it could've saved.

Richard Stallman is an excellent steward of open source software and user freedom in software, and he has been very prescient of the shit that would ultimately come from proprietary software. But he is also a major creep to women and a staunch defender of paedophilia and bestiality.

Someone I knew, before she passed away, was enormously selfless. Gave everything she had to others, fostered a lot of children who all grew up to be great people. Lived with almost no money because she preferred to spend it helping other people, was a big pusher of LGBT rights in the 80s and 90s, helped run a centre that helped HIV victims, never spoke up about the good she was doing because she preferred to keep it a secret... was (astounding to me) enormously racist.

People are complicated.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

That last one speaks to how some people try and redeem themselves despite their flaws. We're not all cut and dry. You can still be a good person, even if you're flawed, provided the good you do outweighs the the bad. I would also throw a caveat in there, in that you're actively trying to address your faults, too. Doesn't do much good if you're burning crosses and houses to the ground, and then taking in the resulting foster children lol.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Berman wasn’t the one writing or directing, he was the executive producer. which means he also wasn’t producing, he was the one who signed off on other people’s work. Read: he vetoed a lot of good ideas out of fear it would anger the studio. As progressive and intelligent as Star Trek was, he kept it from being so much better.

The writers and the lower producers did what they could. Sometimes sneaking around behind his back to make sure something was shown or said.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

For example, Roddenberry wanted an LGBT character as far back as TOS, but it got vetoed by Berman. That would have been incredible for 1960.

I think he also did it when Frakes wanted the non-binary alien he flirted with in one episode to have a male actor instead of a female one, but that also got vetoed.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

This comment confused me because Berman didn’t work on Star Trek until The Next Generation. He couldn’t have vetoed anything on the Original Series.

The main source of pushback during the 60s was the NBC executives (despite Lucille Ball and her DesiLu production company championing the series). Star Trek was constantly threatened with cancellation, then moved to a graveyard time slot for season 3, then was finally cancelled due to “ratings.”

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (11 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago

Decent people can write stories about murderous characters who do not reflect their values.

Terrible people can write stories about decent people who do not reflect their values.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As an aside, perhaps that speaks to just how great Gene Rodenberry was to have created the show in the first place? Here's an awesome comic about him.

[–] Tar_alcaran 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

He survived THREE plane crashes? I don't know if he's the luckiest or unluckiest guy ever.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Because every time he changed an episode's script to "berman it up a little" he'd give himself a writers credit.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Set phasers to burrrrrrrrn.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't use any setting .... I'd just use the phaser pistol as a blunt object and beat him with it

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let's invent a real agony booth and stick Rick Berman in it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good news everyone, we’ve finally invented the Agony Booth from the classic sci-fi “Please for the love of fuck don’t invent the Agony Booth”!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Can’t we make just one for Rick Berman?

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Rick Berman, still a piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fuck you Rick Berman. Wait, what is it with Ricks?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

who's the other Rick thats a POS?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

The context was a Rick who worked with Lucas on the prequels. I dunno if he was a POS, but he was one of the guys who couldn't tell George that his ideas were bad.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Rick McCallum, producer for the prequels. It's from Mr Plinkett red letter media for the prequels and TNG movies.

Come to my web zone and I'll send you some pizza rolls

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The more I learn about this guy the less I like him

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't know shit about him, fill me in?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sexist piece of shit who liked to step all over anyone he perceived as "beneath" him (everyone) and if you've ever thought to yourself "given the rest of the show, why would THAT be a thing? It feels gross and entire groups of people would feel marginalized by this" while watching it, it was probably a Berman Special. Like Seven's.... "uniform"...

Also from what I understand, racist. Like the ferengi.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 months ago (2 children)

“friend”, I think some of that sarcasm dripped out of my phone while I was reading this

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Perhaps that's the skin of evil trying to escape

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

tosses you some paper towels

Careful, I hear it stains pretty badly.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Two reminders

1:it's pronounced "Rick FUCKING Berman",

B- FUCK RICK FUCKING BERMAN.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I always preferred Rick "Everything He Touches Turns to Shit" Berman. He has the reverse Midas touch. Everything he touches spontaneously transforms into human feces.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] verity_kindle 36 points 2 months ago

His story smells like self-aggrandizing bullshit. If he got close enough to any actress to remove something from her costume, someone should have hit him with the cake. That's not your job, so don't touch the talent, asshole.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You know, with how great and progressive Star Trek is... Uh... The older Trek, mind you... I often wonder how anyone like Berman could even make something like that.

How could Star Trek continue under Berman and still be Star Trek?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Never meet your heroes. Joss Whedon, JK Rowling, Orson Scott Card... all the horrible people making super influencial content that so essentially stands in opposition to their horrid real life behavior. I just don't get it either...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is a long watch, but this video explains how Harry Potter is essentially a story about the virtues of bland centrism, and shows that the breadcrumb trail to Rowling's bigotry was there all along. The scales fell from my eyes while listening to this.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Look closer and you'll find that Berman's run wasn't as progressive as you might remember. He repeatedly vetoed attempts to write stories about homosexuality, continued Roddenberry's thing about putting women in skimpy outfits, and so on. TOS was very progressive for the '60s, but TNG, VOY, and ENT were significantly less progressive for their time.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

continued Roddenberry's thing about putting women in skimpy outfits

No. Female officers wearing short dresses was requested by the women on set at the time, not by Roddenberry.

Initially men and women were going to wear the same uniforms, which was criticised by feminists.

Remember that at this time, women were rebelling against having to cover up their bodies for modesty sake. It was at around the time of "free the nipple" and women burning their bras. Short skirts and dresses were popular at the time because it's what women wanted to wear.

Women dressing "skimpy" on TOS was an act of female empowerment. Youre looking at this through a prudish 2024 lense and assuming seeing womens legs is down to sexism.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

He just gets shittier and shittier jesus

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Believe it, but does anyone have links?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's going to be hard to verify every detail about a personal interaction on set, but we can say Bermann's version doesn't match what is verifiable. The shows were shot out of order from how they were aired. Crosby's chronologically shot final scene was in Symbiosis, where she's seen waving goodbye in the cargo bay.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Symbiosis_(episode)#Cast_and_characters

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