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According to an official statement on Ryujinx's Discord server, developer gdkchan was contacted by Nintendo and they were offered an agreement to stop working on the emulator project, and while the agreement wasn't confirmed yet, the organization has been entirely removed.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Infinite Money Glitch: fork Ryujinx and make a website. Nintendo will approach you and offer you money to take down the website and your git repos. Do as they request. Repeat as many times as necessary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

gdkchan? Who's that person? My username is gdkchan2 but it's purely a coincidence

Main hassle is to set up the disposable bank accounts in tax havens

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nintendo's real intent is doubtless to try and ensure that nobody ever makes a functional emulator for the upcoming Switch 2.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Good fucking luck, the hardware will likely be a 2022 tablet if the switch is anything to go off of. Considering as well the console will likely have similar architecture, and switch emulators already exist, I'd give it about 3 months.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Someday we’ll learn that GitHub just isn’t the place for this kind of stuff…

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What is the alternative?

Closed source "I swear this executable that will let you play all the games you want is legit" hosted on sourceforge or random websites that get hugged to death every day that ends in a y?

Also: it isn't like that would stop this kind of legal action. MS/Github are barely a factor. It is the devs themselves getting the "hey, stop it or we'll turn you into indentured servants" letters.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There is a p2p one called https://radicle.xyz/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I agree with your second paragraph, but you do know there are plenty of good alternatives to Github right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

And they change nothing? It still boils down to human beings being liable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

GitFlic in Russia. Good luck telling them to get rid of something

It's where Bypass paywall clean browser extension went after the DMCA bullshut

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago

GitHub has nothing to do with this. All the information we have is that the dev himself took everything down after an agreement with Nintendo.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

they probably would have been fine if they weren't shown as being used to play the leaked echos of wisdom....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Don't think so, one day it would be shutdowned by Nintendo

[–] MonkCanatella 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So an alternative will pop up right? At this point pirating nintendo games is a moral obligation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

There are only so many programmers who are good enough to create an emulator, and a lot of them are already doing other projects. The Switch is also a very complicated system, and it needs a small team to pull it off.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Goddammit!

 

Why won't Nintendo just FUCK. OFF. with this crusade of theirs??!!

 

 

 

 

^(And^ ^before^ ^anyone^ ^mentions^ ^it,^ ^yes,^ ^I'm^ ^aware^ ^as^ ^to^ ^why^ ^they^ ^don't.^ ^The^ ^question^ ^was^ ^rhetorical.)^

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

In the meantime, anyone got a backup of the sourcecode & the binaries for win/linux?

When it was clear Yuzu was on its way out, I took out a backup and saved it in my personal server to share around with friends who asked, but Ryujinx disappeared without an announcement, so I didn't get a chance to do that.

EDIT: Managed to find a backup of the source from just a few hours ago and save it to my own server. Guess I'll have to compile it on my own if I want to share binaries with people who ask :P

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What was the final build? I have 1.1.1402 on my PC.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think you might have the latest. The flatpak version that is currently on my machine is 1.1.1397 -- But the source I just grabbed and didn't build is more recent.

EDIT: The flathub build is still up -- For now. I pulled the latest update from there. It was 1.1.1403

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Thanks, i git cloned from here as a backup.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago

For anyone looking, someone Archive.org'd the final Win x64 compiled version:

https://archive.org/download/ryujinx-1.1.1403-win_x64

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The agreement: You agree to take it down and we agree not to take your house and 30% of your salary until you die.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not so sure. It's possible Nintendo opted for a carrot rather than a stick in this case.

This doesn't seem to have been started with a public C&D letter like usual. Yuzu (the previous Switch emulator that was taken down) incorporated some proprietary Nintendo information, which is why Nintendo had a legal lever against them. They don't have one in this case, yet it still came down. Plus, everything seems to be have been going on very quiet behind the scenes.

If you were an emulator writer and Nintendo came and offered you life changing money in exchange for ending the project, would you take it? I would have a very hard time turning that down. Nintendo also doesn't want a flood of yokels trying to start the project up again hoping to receive the same offer; most would fail, but one or two might take off. Better to let the threat be implied.

This is just speculation, of course, but something about the way this has unfolded feels a little different.

[–] mindbleach 23 points 2 days ago

"Agreement" is quite a fucking twist on "threat."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

seems like there have been multiple contributors. so many clones of the repo....

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A federated github might solve this right?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Nope.

C&Ds and legal threats still go to a person who isn't going to go to jail or have their wages garnished by Mario until the end of their days.

At best you have a single gitlab instance running in a country that is known to not cooperate with those kinds of demands. But... just ask the various torrent sites how well that works after actively pissing off an army of lawyers who don't mind slipping a hosting company a couple hundred bucks to get the identity and address of the person paying for that.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, but a gitea/forgejo instance as a hidden service might.

One of yuzu's forks went that path: http://vub63vv26q6v27xzv2dtcd25xumubshogm67yrpaz2rculqxs7jlfqad.onion/torzu-emu/torzu

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

NOT publish releases

Well there goes that one for most people

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

They should just release torrents of the releases and that way even if there is a takedown the community keeps seeding.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If we keep using the current version and it never gets any updates, will it keep running the whole Switch game library.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Mostly, probably.

I would expect the legal teams to slow down once the switch becomes obsolete. (Like the SNES, GCN, etc.) At that point some other group will take up the mantle and patch whatever is broken.

... That's my guess.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People please try using https://radicle.xyz/ for hosting source code. I haven't used it but the idea of it sounds pretty cool

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The dev got bribed (or threatened) by Nintendo to manually delete the repo. GitHub this time didn't do anything

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Lol, why do you think payment is the more likely of the two options?

Why the hell would Nintendo pay them anything when a C&D is cheaper and just as effective.

[–] iAmTheTot 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

As I understand it, cause of the country the creator is from, a C&D was unlikely to be enforceable. Money, on the other hand, is a universal language.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

C&D in Brazil stands for Comedy & Despair, where you're the one laughing at the company desperate to get you to do what they want without having any actual legal leverage

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

C&Ds are generally just threats to take someone to court. They aren't themselves enforceable.

Even I can send C&Ds if I want but I don't have anything to back them up with. Nintendo on the other hand absolutely does.

[–] iAmTheTot 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By "enforceable," I meant, "the reasonable legal means to follow up".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you wouldn't comply with Nintendo in a similar position?

[–] iAmTheTot 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would, but I live in a country that cares about IP laws.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Well, I for sure wouldn't gamble my life for some emulator even if I lived in Brazil (Pretty sure it was Brazil).

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Until now the stance was "rofl in Brazil C&Ds are a waste of money", so the bribe option makes sense.

Suppose that they calculate $1 million in legal costs in order to take the case to a court, then offering something like $200k to delete the repo is a big saving.

The dev of simple mobile apps sold millions of users to an ad company for just $30k which was almost pennies if we think how popular those apps were in the Foss community

Now, backups of the code are widely available, will the development continue without the main dev? Suyu (fork of yuzu) made almost no progress since the fork

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Need to do something! As for YouTube and ad-blockers

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Damn, I just got a mac and it has replaced my switch thanks to this brilliant software

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Sigh...

Just had to find about it here https://youtu.be/XrRlL7_coh0

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