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[–] [email protected] 115 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Japanese company applying Japanese law to global consumers. This needs to stop. Its fine to apply Japanese law in Japan to Japanese consumers, but not other countries.

Nintendo, I used to love you, and now you are the single biggest contributor to me hating you.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately that's only gonna stop when social media companies enable country blocking for streamers to prevent their content from being shown to Japanese audiences.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (4 children)

You really think they would stop in that case?

Nintendo is writing their own laws through terms of service, enforced with kill switches built into their games.

[–] Kecessa 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They can't write their own laws and their terms of service can't go against your local laws if they want to provide their services in your State (in the general sense, not in the USA sense), so customer protection laws can solve the issue if Nintendo won't solve it themselves.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

They absolutely shouldn't be able to, but companies are constantly pushing the boundaries and seem to be getting away with their bullshit bullshit depressingly often.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Supposedly this is how the animetuber community were able to get relief from copy strikes after TNM took a public stand against the practice when his one piece series got struck

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No kidding? I haven't heard of this, but I wouldn't be surprised. Got any links (re: killswitches)?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

So a fair amount of this is conjecture on my part, but what is known is every switch cartridge has a unique certificate that checks in with Nintendo servers.

At the moment it’s used to detect if the same game is running on two systems, for banning consoles involved with piracy.

But, technically there’s nothing stopping them from just manually blocking a specific cartridge from running once identified.

https://wololo.net/2024/01/19/the-mig-switch-works-as-advertised-for-the-most-part-but-concerns-remain-around-ban-risks/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Nintendo is writing their own laws

No, they aren't.

[–] Kecessa 13 points 3 months ago

It's as if customer protection laws are necessary... A whole bunch of things found in EULA doesn't apply to me just because of where I live and the fact that we have them here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Nintendo, knows they can coerce YouTube into destroying peoples channels, by sung them in Japan, so they get to write any rules they want.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Not sure how Japanese law has anything to do with this. I'm pretty sure under US law (the one that ultimately matters for streaming) leaves all the rights of recorded videos of the game with the right holders of the game. That you're allow to record/stream games at all has no legal precedent, it's just a wise business decision by publisher to not forbid it (anymore).

And legality aside. As a dev I wouldn't want racist or bigoted streamers to show my game and make money off of my work. Same with leakers. Sure for a big company I don't care but if someone leaked an indie devs work, we would consider it a dick move as well.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How long until grandpoobear is banned from posting their content for having poo in their name, just like they deleted all his Mario maker levels for having the word poo in them?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nintendo already hates him. Remember how they twice deleted his Mario maker levels without explanation?

[–] otp 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That makes sense. They already deleted his Mario maker levels without explanation... twice!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

It' s outrageous. And the worst part is that twice in the past Nintendo deleted his Mario levels and gave no explanation. None! Poof! Gone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] otp 5 points 3 months ago

So did the comment they replied to. That was the joke, lol

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Just bought a steamdeck (switch is objectively inferior)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

We could honestly probably say it's empirically inferior.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Eh, the Switch has a few things going for it:

  • smaller form factor and better battery life
  • joycons are nice for casual gaming
  • physical media can be lent and resold
  • simpler to use - matters a lot for kids

I have and love both. I really like first party Nintendo titles, but I really dislike Nintendo's legal arm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A lot of their market practices aren't great either. Backing up saves on your own hardware, anyone?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but I almost never care about backing up saves anyway. It would be nice for it to be a thing, but it's really not something I personally care about.

Ideally, Switch's software would be FOSS so I could do whatever I please with it, such as developing my own games, turning it into a media server, etc. But it provides enough value that I own one and some games to play with my wife and kids. I also own a Steam Deck which does have a FOSS OS, so it's awesome that both exist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ok, but giving consumers control of THEIR data shouldn't be optional. Same way car manufacturers shouldn't get to decide who gets know about what happens inside YOUR car no matter how proprietary and unrepairable their internal systems get.

I'm a lot less happy about "both 'options' existing" when one is literally pushing for practices that should not be. Period.

I don't care whether you personally care about your game saves. The fact remains that you, or any given person, might, and that those cases shouldn't be an avenue to extort.

The main reason Nintendo gets away with it is that since you don't care, and since they are only mistreating a minority of their users, there is no big backlash.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 3 months ago

I don’t care whether you personally care about your game saves

Exactly, nor should you. I'm just stating that I personally don't care, so I'm not going to boycott Nintendo or something over it.

That said, I very much do believe individuals should actually own the hardware they buy, and I'm fully supportive of efforts to root their devices. I believe strongly in Right to Repair, and I believe customers should, at minimum, get documentation about how to repair their devices (i.e. board level schematics, part lists, etc), as well as no blocks from the vendor for manufacturers to sell parts. There's a good chance that this type of information could help people root their devices, but as long as the vendor is commercially supporting their platform, I don't think they should be obligated to provide source-level details (I'm buying the hardware here, not the software). But once they stop supporting it, they should be obligated to provide information about how to load alternative software onto the device so customers can continue supporting their own hardware.

Nintendo gets away with it because the laws protect them, and even obligate them to aggressively protect their brand. Those laws should certainly change. However, as long as they provide a product that provides value to me, I'll get it. I'll do what I can to mitigate issues though (e.g. I'm shopping for a new car, and I intend to remove/disable the chip that communicates w/ the manufacturer).

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

Thanks Nintendo! You're giving me even more reasons to not buy any of your crap. It's been years since I bought something from you and I'm happy you keep doing your best to help me with my decision.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Okay, keep digging your own grave Nintendo. Twitch streamers and YouTubers are a major source of advertising for you, even for back-catalog stuff. The only reason why I see Nintendo directs is because a streamer I enjoy watches them. My interest in Nintendo stuff is pretty low but I've been persuaded to buy a few Nintendo games as a result of YouTube or twitch videos. But here's the thing: these guys have no filter. They swear constantly and love innuendo. They will probably get caught in Nintendo's net and stop streaming Nintendo stuff. As a result, I will no longer be paying attention to what Nintendo's doing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

gives Nintendo the liberty to not only take legal action but also ban a user from any future use of their IPs in content making.

Features graphic, explicit, harmful, or otherwise offensive content, including statements or actions that may be considered offensive, insulting, obscene or otherwise disturbing to others;

considers

https://www.google.com/search?q=samus+aran+nude&sclient=img&udm=2&safe=off

About 9,880,000 results (0.20 seconds)

Sounds like they've got their work cut out for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Until they come across the right person inside the EU, then they are fucked. :)

Anti consumer tos are strictly prohibited. For example you could even sue your way out of a ban when you cheated because they keep you out of consuming a product you paid for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

They literally cant take action in 99,99% of cases.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

So what does this mean for the future of Shotgun Mario 64?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q98D4bjhDy4

[–] mindbleach 10 points 3 months ago

Corporations need their shit slapped straight, on the topic of media ownership. If you want control over something - don't sell it to ten million strangers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Why does anyone ever stream their crap anymore? Remember when they got YouTube to send all your ad rev to them because you streamed their games? Does everyone have amnesia?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Hope they get teached another lesson.