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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It’s not as bad as the title makes it sound. California is aggressively putting people into assistance. Their leaders are actively saying to not arrest your way out of the problem. It’s a step in the right direction.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Imagine believing this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Assisting by removing all their tents and throwing their stuff out??

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Many cities in California stopped that sort of activity a while ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Can you name a few?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Not that I don't believe that, but I'd like more info on what sort of assistance?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The cops assist you in throwing out all your possessions.

[–] Spaceinv8er 1 points 4 months ago

Maybe in large encampments but from my daily experience of watching a never ending battle from the police and a homeless spot they typically don't do that. They just tell them to leave, but they just come back eventually.

Everyday I walk by a spot where homeless congregate. At the beginning of the week there a few rambling around. By EOW there are 30 just sleeping coming down from their high or smoking meth. The cops come, tell them to leave, then it starts all over again.

They aren't exactly bothering anybody other than the smell and that the city has to power wash the parking structure on a weekly basis because they all piss and shit in it.

Look I care for these people, I'm not trying to sound all NIMBY here, but these are the type of people who don't want help. They want to stay in their hole. The only assistance you can give these people other than abducting them and put them in a facility, is to tell them to leave and go to a shelter. Addiction is a mother fucker, and the only disease you can get yelled at for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Beds, private motel rooms, shelters. The article touched on it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

“LA Podcast” over the years has talked on the issue a lot if you’d like to learn more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Nobody cares about some podcast. That's not a citation of facts.

I know plenty about this topic. That's why I'm asking about your imaginary statements.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

They regularly interview people involved. I step over and around these encampments, RVs, and people daily. Accept my source or not. I know that I’ve seen improvements both in how the people are treated and how support services are offered.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

While I feel they should provide direct sources, it's possible they mean this podcast itself hosts direct sources or interviews with officials. At least I would hope that, given their reliance on it.

Else, I'm with you, they just posted some gossip lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So there's a lot going on, California is a big place, and thanks to its separation from the rest of the country (by way of the Sierra Nevadas, kinda like Switzerland in Europe) California behaves like its own country far more than Texas ever did.

And transients like California cities, or did in the 20th century, mostly because you could live without shelter all year around. That said, the responses by cities to homeless are different. Los Angeles is glad to sweep them out of sight where (pre-gentrification) San Francisco was the gateway to getting re-established (provided you were weren't too crazy to function in employment), so train bums would go to SF when they were tired of riding the rails. SF is also where cults would go to recruit commune workers, which is how my once-transient friend ended up in Rajneeshpuram happily cleaning bungalows on his path to enlightenment.

California is desperate for public housing, and has several projects trying to build some. But NIMBY lobbies are strong. Private landowners fear their property will depreciate if public housing and corresponding community services pitch stakes in their area, which is what Gavin Newsom is contending with (or taking bribes from; we're not sure either.) Newsome is a Pelosi - Feinstein kind of Democrat, establishment and neoliberal, and pushes for humane causes in an effort to preserve capitalist systems, less so in recognition of the bottom rungs of our stratefied society as human beings and equal participants in the community.

(The last time we had a Republican governor, it was Arnold The Gubernator Schwarzenegger, about the least-Republican Republican there was, and he still took a wrecking ball to California right after the state was fleeced by Enron. So don't expect a party switch to improve matters)

So yeah, Newsom is okay with cleaning the streets of the riff-raff, if it will make his campaign contributors happy for a while, and won't be used to embarrass his presidential campaign. And given this is the age of the smartphone camera, we may well get to see how brutal California law enforcement gets when released from their slips.