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Liz Truss considered cutting cancer care on the NHS in a desperate bid to find savings to pay for the tax cuts in her botched “mini budget”, according to a new book about her time in office.

The book, Truss at 10: How Not to Be Prime Minister by the renowned political biographer Anthony Seldon, is a 330-page long, largely excoriating account of Truss’s 45 days in Downing Street.

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The book reports that, as Truss’s mini budget unravelled around her, her policy director Jamie Hope and economic adviser Shabbir Merali huddled in Downing Street and discussed how the cuts she was contemplating could not be delivered. The book says:

“At that point, they were joined by fellow special adviser Alex Boyd, who was told that Truss and Kwarteng were thinking they could still sort out the black hole with severe cuts.

“We’ve been told that they’re looking at stopping cancer treatment on the NHS,” they told him.

“Is she being serious?” Boyd asked. “She’s lost the plot,” they replied. “She’s shouting at everyone – at us and officials that we’ve ‘got to find the money!’ When we tell her it can’t be done, she shouts back, ‘It’s not true. The money is there. You go and find it.’”

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago

Funny how she went straight to the NHS instead of the billions that are spent in corporate welfare.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why are conservatives so cartoonishly evil? Seriously, it's like they look at all our stories, media and culture and think "wow! Those bad guys were really cool! I want to be like them when I grow up!"

A literal demon would make more compassionate choices than your average conservative.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

You really think these entitled assholes should be handed hundreds of thousands of £££ just because they got sick?

Stop taking my rich friend's money!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Tbf I think they're demon possessed

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

Larry the cat is a good judge of character.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

fortunately, Liz Truss was a early diagnose cancer that got cut off in 44 days

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

We appear to be neglecting necessary aftercare though. As the brain damaged idiot still appears on TV screens with alarmingly frequency for somebody so utterly politically irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

There really needs to be some sort of rule that NHS funding is ring fenced. Every time the Tories get in power they immediately start grabbing money out of the NHS pot, and it's ridiculous because their own voters are the most likely to need access to it.

However since they all appear to be utterly incapable of thinking long-term, and by long-term I mean 6 months, we need to protect the NHS from their short-sighted grubby little mits.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

In our palimentary system. It is impossible for one parliment to make a rule, that another parliment cannot change.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I know that's why I'm saying that we need some sort of protection. Which as I said would help the Tories as well because they're their own worst enemies.

This is a fact that most of the back benches know to be true. There is a reason why they had the candidate selection process so drawn out, and it's so that they wouldn't end up with only reactionary idiots on the ballot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

It would be cool.

But i think the harm would outweigh any real advantage.

Just think about UK hostory over the last 400 years of our parliment.

We have created lots of laws with full public support. That at the time would have passed any test of democratic support you like to come up with.

That nowadays seem utterly unforgivable.

The need for our society to grow morrally is part of why we have the parliment we do.

The US intentionally created there 3 house system to slow down major changes in moral ideals. And even that seems to cause more pain then good.

One good example.

It delayed the emd of slavery. Even more then the UK or most of the western world.

And lets face it. Even with no limitations on our parliment. It takes time to end evils.

The risk can be summed as. Winning support for an emotional possition is easier then ending it when talking about large communities.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But it is possible to sell public assets so that they can't be bought back.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not really. We just have never had a government willing to do so.

The way our parliament is set up. They have power to do anything. It is literally sovereign. International treaties limit them. But again, nothing in our laws force us to keep them. Just the actions of other nations if we don't.

Lords used to have the power to halt a government. But now all they can do is advise and delay.

Basically, if a majority of MPs agree. The UK parliament can do anything they wish.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Practically and politically impossible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Agreed. Well politically. Practicallyty depends entirly on the industory.

Rail is easy. And relativly cheap.

Water easy both practically and politically. And while repairing the damage is pricy. Ita not like its free under the current system. Only question is tax or bill rises.

Nhs is much more complex. But far from impossible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Imagine a system where that isn't true. Actually you don't have to because it held sway for centuries when the monarchy was in charge. Only the very wealthy got healthcare which is not too far from the situation America currently finds itself in and the UK aspires to.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Conservatism is cancer. Liz Truss is a malignant tumor.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Hmmm. I think Liz Truss is a useless conglomeration of pus and mucus as much as the next chap, but 'considered cutting' doesn't seem like that much of a crime to me. Not compared to 'utterly fucked the economy and brought financial stress and ruin to millions of UK citizens'.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like an episode of The Thick of It

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Massive irretrievable cancer care loss

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's hella funny if real, I thought Liz was a diehard libertarian who's against any government intervention when it comes to the free market?

[–] threeganzi 3 points 3 months ago

Doesn’t the align perfectly with the claim in the book?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

She she's either a sociopath, an imbecile, or both?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Fuck the tories