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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2397424

cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2397370

Union won elections in four stores, Trader Joe’s continues to union bust, refuse to bargain in good faith. Trader Joe’s threatened and coerced workers, continues to drag feet at bargaining table.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Sorry, explain to me US labor laws.

Is there no recourse for union busting and obvious retaliatory firings like this? I thought there was some modicum of protection for certifying a union, at least federally.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In theory it's exceptionally illegal to curtail unionization efforts.

In practice, the law has been whittled away by decades of conservative judiciary decisions and weak department of labor enforcement. This isn't helped at all by the balance of power.

Companies can afford to scare off some degree of workers, especially at the lower end of the salary range. Big businesses can survive shutting down a store or losing business at locations indefinitely. Big businesses can afford expensive lawyers and to indefinitely stay in litigation over union busting efforts.

For workers, it's a completely different proposition. Is Walmart or Home Depot or Starbucks going to want to hire someone that is actively suing another major corporation for anything at all? It's even worse if it's labor rights related, but just suing them in the first place is going to make it a struggle to find employment at a lot of places. That's even pretending they can find & afford lawyers. Or that they can handle the transition period from job A to job B even if it isn't difficult to find job B.

These businesses hold all the cards and they know it. You see similar thinking, though different details, behind Hollywood's decision to just try and wait out the striking writers and actors. They can survive losing billions of dollars in income a year from now with unmade projects; striking workers will struggle to get by with no salary.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

If they get sued for it, they'll probably settle for less money than they figure they'll lose if employees unionize.

I'm currently sueing a major corporation for violating labor laws and they asked for mediation (which means they want to settle and keep it out of court). I didn't even hire a lawyer. Just lodged a complaint with my state department of labor and it went from there.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

There are, but since Joy Silk Doctrine was abandoned in the 1970s, the NLRB has been severely handicapped in defending and certifying unions. It's made worse when generally the penalty to the company is backpay and offering the employee their job back. The PRO act has been introduced to Congress several times and includes the ability to leverage fines of $50k per person affected per ULP, but has been rejected by the Republican party which has a firm anti-labor stance

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

IANAL - anecdotally businesses here ask forgiveness rather than permission, and penalties are a pittance. They usually do not even have to admit guilt in court. An individual may win their case, but their advasary has its own dedicated legal department and comparatively infinite resources.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

The legal barrier to prove union busting basically means little recourse will be made.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I like to picture the Aldi brother as like this humanitarian filled to the brim with compassion who just wants to bring people good affordable food and dignity at work and the Trader Joe's brother as basically Snidely Whiplash in like a Northface vest with cargo shorts twirling his mustache about his evil grocery schemes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doesn't this sorta destroy their whole image they worked so hard to promote and build their entire company around?

Huh.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Yep. They billed themselves and chill and employee focused. Hence the "relaxed" dress codes and atmosphere. Turns out, they're just another corporate pig hiding behind some cheap makeup.

[–] Pacers31Colts18 7 points 1 year ago

We don't shop there a ton cause it's a bit of a drive. Any Trader Joe's we have been to has awesome customer service and I like their selection.

Sucks to hear this. I'll never go there again.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think the liberals that flock to that store give a shit?

Whole Foods is run by a hard-core conservative, and that hasn't stopped the Left from throwing money at that company.

What about Apple and its long time track record of employing near-slave labor in China?

As with almost all topics, most liberals will almost never inconvenience themselves for the same causes they supposedly promote. This is why stuff like "green-washing" is so prevalent - people just want to see some happy-happy-joy-joy images that something is being done, rather than lift a finger to actually do anything. While the Right takes the methodical approach of advancing their cause over years and decades, the Left can't be bothered to focus on anything for more than a few days before they jump to the next hot topic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the left

Stopped reading there

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I stopped at "liberals"

Politics discussions using ambiguous slang is an instant turn off for me tbh

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

'liberals' isnt ambiguous slang. equating 'the left' with liberals is just being stupid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

'liberals' isnt ambiguous slang

Without a qualifier, I find it's used in a negative way to ”fill in the blank" with whatever an OC's target demographic is IMO... generally any hopes of having a rational conversation with OC may as well be be flushed down the toilet after observing that kind of usage

As a sidenote, in a political context I don't think it captures someone's alignment in a universally understandable way. Different people with different perspectives interpret the literal phrasing "liberals" from their own POV.

equating 'the left' with liberals is just being stupid.

I agree.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Traitor Joes

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck Trader Joes.

Their fucking cheese always molds like two days after you get it home, because they recut it in unsanitary warehouses. And if you do the math, their weird package sizes are consistently a bad deal for the consumer. They are a scam organization. Should be shut down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Bread, too, starts molding before you make it to the cash register

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aldi and Trader Joe's share a weird corporate relationship, but you should know that Aldi is just as anti-union. You will not find a unionized Aldi.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

you WILL find unionized Aldi... In Germany