I finished reading Neuromancer a few weeks ago and absolutely loved it. I'm thinking of picking the second volume in a few weeks as i've heard it's even better. Any opinions on that? Also i am open to CP books recommendations as it is a genre i love in modern media!! I also obviously love both blade runner movies, always go to see them when the theater does a screening. And absolutely fell in love with the videogame CP2077 despite the drama surrounding it, i think its the second game ever i ever got to 100% completion!! Very generic answer i know but i would love to dig deeper if anyone has any suggestion!!
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I actually just finished re-reading Count Zero last week. For me Neuromancer is so genre defining that it's hard to compare anything else to it. Nonetheless, Count Zero is definitely worth a read and a worth successor. Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson is probably the second most genre-defining book in the Cyberpunk anthology. It's a very different from Neuromancer, but still quintessentially Cyberpunk.
If you anime at all, I think Cowboy Bebop is a pretty great entry in the genre. To be honest, I can't get into Anime and haven't watched that version, but I really enjoyed the first season of Netflix's cancelled live action adaptation. The internet leads me to believe that the Anime is even better.
Oh! I've read about Snow Crash but it looks too much like Ready Player One (the movie AFAIK and i know its the other way around probably) and the whole idea of the metaverse its not much up my alley but i will definitely give it a read too then!!
I've seen Cowboy Bebop and loved it its definitely has got more of the punk than the cyber although that might just be my impression of old era visual cyberpunk.
I find that usually the way I picture cyberpunk media like books, that don't come with images as more modern tech. I'm sure that what William Gibson had in mind while writing Neuromancer was far more retro futuristic that what i imagined while reading it, which was more akin to BR2049.
Oh! I’ve read about Snow Crash but it looks too much like Ready Player One (the movie AFAIK and i know its the other way around probably) and the whole idea of the metaverse its not much up my alley but i will definitely give it a read too then!!
I touched on this in my own top-level reply. You're not exactly wrong, but comparing Snow Crash to RP1 is frankly an insult to Snow Crash. If nothing else, I think Snow Crash is worth reading as one of the defining works of the genre, even if I don't think it holds up as well as Neuromancer. RP1 on the other hand, I regret reading (I haven't watched the movie). I would gladly take those hours of my life back if I could.
I find that usually the way I picture cyberpunk media like books, that don’t come with images as more modern tech. I’m sure that what William Gibson had in mind while writing Neuromancer was far more retro futuristic that what i imagined while reading it, which was more akin to BR2049.
Yeah, it's funny. In a lot of ways Cyberpunk as a genre is dead because it basically just describes the current world with more neon and VR. Back when Gibson was writing Neuromancer, it wasn't retro futurism he had in mind, it was just the future! A lot of the charm of Cyberpunk comes from the ways in which the 80s vision of the future differs from reality while still striking close to home.
I think Snow Crash is worth reading as one of the defining works of the genre, even if I don't think it holds up as well as Neuromancer.
I agree with this take 👍 I didn't enjoy Snow Crash, but it was undeniably influential and in many ways prescient. I loved Neuromancer.
Have you read The Peripheral? I have yet to start the second book (Agency) but I really enjoyed the neon-less future presented in the first one. It's specifically what Gibson thought could happen as a result of where we were in 2016: less people, body-integrated tech, synthetic organisms (with a specific lack of AI that humans can use), etc. The 2023 chapter descriptions (Hefty-Mart, fabrication, the 'viz') come with the neon he predicted in the 80s. The 2073 chapters come with nano-tech, artificial cosplay zones, and a steampunk-ish view of how tech works (e.g., all anyone in the book knows is that the stubs are located on a server that's 'probably Chinese').
I love me some Cyberpunk. Maybe it's not dead, so much as we're living in Gibson's 80's vision of 2023, and the next turn of the wheel is writing the future we want or are afraid of...What does 2083 look like?
I haven't. I got tired of Gibson for a little while around the turn of the millennium. I think it was really just that I was too young to appreciate his later work when all I wanted was more neon-filled dystopia. I'll add The Peripheral to my queue.
I love me some Cyberpunk. Maybe it’s not dead, so much as we’re living in Gibson’s 80’s vision of 2023, and the next turn of the wheel is writing the future we want or are afraid of…What does 2083 look like?
I like that perspective!
I hear that! It was especially good if neon-filled dystopia offered a way to be pertinent or at least meaningful in a present devoid of personality. I can make a difference to my collective or chosen tribe. I stand by the idea that saying cyberpunk is dead is akin to saying futurism is dead. It's just that the aesthetic represented by the term requires change.
Officially staking my claim on 'retro-cyberpunk' as a term. I know trademarking it would embody exactly what it avoids so...meh....
RP1 on the other hand, I regret reading (I haven’t watched the movie). I would gladly take those hours of my life back if I could. Your hate towards RP1 tells me i can trust your opinion xd. I might give it a read after count zero then maybe.
Back when Gibson was writing Neuromancer, it wasn’t retro futurism he had in mind, it was just the future! A lot of the charm of Cyberpunk comes from the ways in which the 80s vision of the future differs from reality while still striking close to home. I agree but i wouldn't call it dead, its just updated with a new aesthetic. Ideally good cyberpunk still should touch on the ideas of un checked capitalism and neo liberalism with a splash of neon, now it just updates the tech to the current era's perception of future technology.
Though i have to agree with you that we are basically already living in a cyberpunk dystopia just without the neon and the body mods. We have the unchecked capitalism having set its roots in government and corrupting most things it touches along with massive cognitive dissonance from a good part of the population that gets fed info by outlets, which are all controlled by the same people, controlling them to do what they want. But we are all content as long as there is a modicum of food on the table and we get our soma (in the way of modern, designed to keep you addicted, entertainment in its different forms and stuff).
Snow Crash is worth a read. Very entertaining, and it gives you a glimpse into what a hellscape a Libertarianism ruled world would be.
For some reason I never read Count Zero, but I really enjoyed the third one, Mona Lisa Overdrive. It certainly seemed as good as Neuromancer to me, and had a nice plot and a good group of really cool diverse characters.
Nothing against all the many many Cyperpunk works that came later, but this seminal trilogy is a great way to get introduced to the genre. I really like William Gibson's writing style, although he is no technical master of the written word...he just writes with a very cool vibe, and I like the way he describes things, and slowly reveals a books plot over time.
I read your rules but I'll have to say it:
- Cyberpunk 2077 was my first big dip into the genre and man, did it stick!
Aside from that:
- The Ascent (another game) was also a really great game with a fantastic looking environment and good worldbuilding.
- As for a TV series, I loved Altered Carbon (only seen season 1),but man. It. Is. Awesome! Greatly recommend, if you haven't seen it yet (was on Netflix, I think?)
Oh man i loved the ascent. For a top-down game it is suuuper immersive and i absolutely loved it. Not long ago i saw that they came out with a story DLC and i cant wait to get back into it!!!
Haha. Nothing wrong with 2077. It didn't live up to the hype, but I still found it fun and aesthetically pleasing! The note is more to preempt confusion than to discourage mentioning of the game.
The launch was a cluster, especially if you were on console. But they got most things fixed. It is a fun game. Looking forward to the expansion.
Ghostrunner had a great world. The concept of "The Tower" and the power structure really resonated with me. Gameplay was also very fun and visually interesting.
Another great Cyberpunk game I enjoyed was VA-11 Hall-A (aka Waifu Bartending). It was a cool world and concept - great to unwind at night to.
Didn't expect to see VA-11 Hall-A mentioned here lol. Definitely a good soundtrack and relaxing gameplay, I could never get myself to finish it though.
This might be cliché, but I really like the 1995 Ghost in the Shell film. The spider tank, the depictions of firearms, the excellent soundtrack, and most interestingly its depiction of AGI. I'm forgetting a lot of the reasons I like it and should go see it again.
Kind of generic but it will always be The Matrix for me. 2nd would be Bladerunner duology.
As could probably be guessed by the fact that I chose this name for an instance, Neuromancer and the rest of the sprawl trilogy are still the books that defines the genre for me. The descriptions of the physical world are still feel real and plausible today, making them remarkably prescient for their time, and the descriptions of cyberspace as a near-physical space that you occupy when jacked in, but in an abstract way that, perhaps ironically, feels more real to me than the more immersive version of cyberspace in books like Snow Crash.
Well, obviously I'm a fan of Neuromancer, since I saw the name of this lemmy instance and immediately signed up. I like many of the works others have already posted, and I can't pick one so I'll just list some of my favourites that nobody has mentioned: The Matrix, Deus Ex, Ghost In The Shell Stand Alone Complex and Shadowrun Returns.
In games, Cyberpunk 2077 really scratches the itch. For movies, I'll put up Blade Runner 2049. May be some recency bias, but man that movie just nails it. I recently watched the original and 2049 over a weekend, and IMO 2049 edges it out. It kept the unanswered question of the original in tact (Is Deckard a replicant?), and introduced a similar question, is Joi's love for Joe real? Watching the emotional trauma and transition of K into Joe is another great selling point for this movie.
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided and Detroit become human games
Personally, the book Hardwired and movie Logan’s Run had the biggest effect on me. eXistenZ came close as well, and Neuromancer and it’s sequels are classics. As far as ttrpgs, Shadowrun and Cyberpunk have unique things to offer, but I continually find myself drawn to the “stranger in a strange land” trope perpetuated by the show Futurama and tabletop games like Metamorphosis Alpha and Journey to the Barrier Peaks.
I suppose my favorite, at the moment, would be the first season of Altered Carbon. Other favorites (many probably tinted from nostalgia):
- Robocop
- probably my first introduction into cyberpunk, was a very young child when I watched it with my dad.
- Demolition Man
- I really like cheesy action movies, lol
- Deus Ex
- was just barely a teen when I played it, and was mind-blowing back then
- Cyberpunk 2077
- just started playing it; it's the reason I found this community. I'm mostly just amazed how both large and detailed the city is.
- "Lobsters" by Charles Stross (found in Accelerando).
- Forbes
IDK, I think cyberpunk is best delivered with humor, since I see the genre as a parody of modern, first-world life, with everything exaggerated a little bit (less so as time goes on).
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