EHhhh, I love O'Brien, but lately I think Trek has been relying way too much on nostalgia. I'd rather have new characters instead.
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Same. Although it's kind of a tradition to have the old actors on, and it can be fun, but it's better when used to contrast how the new Treck is different / evolving
This right here. I liked how TNG did it. Series premier bring an oldster in to launch, maybe have a special episode or two with another.
If we really wanted Colm back, have it in the premier of Starfleet Academy where the new cadets are going through a hall of distinguished professors and have an elderly O'Brien do a cameo with a sample of one of his lectures. Nice to connect the show to lore and nostalgia but short enough to let the new cast stand on their own.
That said, I agree with Colm. Let O'Brien stay as he is. He had a perfect send-off.
Rather than a Starfleet lecturer I'd prefer if he was the author of a "Things they don't teach you at the Academy" type book.
Something like "Per Starfleet regulations dilithium crystals should be set to a quarter inch technobabble. However in a pinch you can technobabble but be warned this can cause more babbling"
By lately do you mean since 2017?
Well yeah, 2017 was only... oh god... oh no....
...since 2001...
I see this argument a lot, but outside of PIC S3 and the NuTrek reboots (I would still argue those were not relying on nostalgia but I understand the argument in favor) which post-Enterprise Star Trek "relies" on nostalgia?
The most frequent criticisms I've seen of Discovery and Picard S1&2 are that they weren't similar enough to previous Star Treks. Lower Decks references the older shows a lot but is obviously not trying to imitate them. SNW is the closest I think you could get to a "relying on nostalgia" series and it is more frequently described as feeling "fresh" and seems to be the most well-received.
It's more about the trajectory of nuTrek than the whole of it. Discovery and the first two seasons of Picard did try to do new things and move the franchise in new directions, but now Discovery is cancelled in favour of SNW and Picard season 3 discarded so much the first two seasons had done in order to dive into nostalgia hard - and its success led to a lot of speculation about a "Star Trek Legacy" series that would double down on the fanservice approach even further. So it does feel like there's a trend towards "safer" nostalgic content.
And sometimes even fairly minor things just rub me the wrong way, like the Daniels reveal in Discovery. They just feel so arbitrary, and make the universe feel so mush smaller for no purpose.
I specifically asked for examples of shows outside of Picard Season 3 that "rely" on nostalgia. And "Star Trek Legacy" is not even a real show!
Picard is super relevant, though. If we're talking about an alternate reality where Picard S3 never happened, then yeah, I'd agree that complaints about nostalgia are a little over blown. I don't see why that would be a discussion worth having, though. Picard did happen, and so did a whole lot of discussion about a possible Legacy show, and if you're wondering why you hear complaints about nostalgia, that's a big part of why.
That's not the entirety of it, though. Outside of Picard, I'll say that Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks absolutely trade heavily in nostalgia. I can't agree with your view that either don't count. Having a fresh style doesn't change the fact that SNW is set on the classic Enterprise and is continuing to introduce more and more classic Trek characters. And Lower Decks built a whole episode around the reuse of a specific cave set from TNG, of all things. A huge amount of its humour and appeal is definitely based in nostalgia.
I will say that it looks like Starfleet Academy on a good course to do it's own thing, Picardo notwithstanding, so I'm not saying the franchise has gone completely bankrupt or anything. I just think there's enough nostalgia going around that it's pretty valid to feel a little put off by it if one is so inclined.
"Based in" and "trade heavily" are not the same as "relies on" which is what the comment I was responding to said "Trek" was doing. You've made a very good case that it does not.
The distinction is lost on me, but cheers.
Meaney had always struck me as the ultimate working actor, fairly ambivalent about Star Trek beyond it being a job (which is fine).
It's hard to imagine him turning down an offer, were it too come in.
He’s also still getting tons of regular work outside sci-fi. He’s got a comedy with Paul Reiser coming out later this year that looks pretty funny, too.
He doesn’t need to go back to Trek, and I’m glad for that.
Regarding Kate Mulgrew, Prodigy made a lot of sense for her given her talents as a voice actor. (RIP Infinity Train)
Don't forget the ultimate Star Trek voice acting gig, Gargoyles.
I thought you were going to say X-COM 2 - War Of The Chosen.
Now what sounds like a Gul Dukat-level deranged fanfic is O'Brien on the train.
"You've suffered so much, so we're going to put you in an environment where you suffer even more."
Yeah, I've read similar that it was "just a job" from his view, but you're right: if he's offered a role and is available, he'd probably take it.
Even if he just pops up for a cameo as an Emergency Engineering Hologram or something. Maybe in Academy they find a 900 year old pattern buffer floating in deep space, and O'Brien pops out like Scotty in Relics. I would not be picky about how they bring him in, I guess, is what I'm saying. lol
If anyone earned their retirement, it's Miles O'Brien. Maybe he could show up for one scene, where he lets the rest of the team know that, just like Wolverine did in First Class.
Lol, I'd accept that. Maybe he's the template for future engineering holograms.
Computer, activate the Emergency Engineering Hologram.
Holo'brien: Jaysus! Your warp core's knackered. Nothing I can do. Deactivate emergency engineering hologram.
(I don't think any incarnation of O'Brien would give up so easily; just playing off of your Wolverine clip lol)
Computer, reactivate Emergency Engineering Hologram
Holo'brien: Fuck off! Computer, delete program, command override O'Brien six-six-gamma-seven.
I wondered why the hologram version of him is English. But of course it would be English, wouldn't it?
I think star trek always needs old miles O'brien, but I'll take him as a special guest as you proposed. or maybe recurring?
I wouldn’t mind a special guest appearance of a retired Chief O’Brian building gadgets for kids in a distant colony.
O’Brien is my favorite character in all of Trek. And as much as part of me would like to see him again, sometimes a character’s story is over and that’s ok!
Please just let the past stay in the past. Make new things! Come up with original ideas!
No shit.
I’m so tired of every project being built on nostalgia.
Strange New Worlds is so close to what I want from new Trek. I want that show, but on a new ship and a new crew set post-DS9.
I want that show, but on a new ship and a new crew set post-DS9.
This is what Picard S1&2 were but everyone vocally hated it. Good writing has nothing to do with setting.
No it wasn’t. It was another show built on nostalgia, which I specifically mentioned being tired of.
I did enjoy season 3 though.
Have fun arguing with yourself lmoa
You’re working really hard to misunderstand me.
People are allowed opinions, dude.
Here’s a tip if you actually want to have a discussion: ask why people feel the way they do about something instead of telling them they’re wrong for it.
So what you want is Star Trek that...had nothing to do with Star Trek, because literally anything using the title, concept, or characters will be, by definition, "built on nostalgia." Got it.
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I literally described what I would like from new trek. Have fun arguing with yourself.
And how would that be nostalgia-free?
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Compelling.
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I could see something with some sort of 25th century plot with O'Brien and Bashir being enjoyable. The O'Briens would be empty-nesters by then, with Miles in a late life crisis right when a shady-as-heck Bashir draws him into some vague top secret mission.
Still, if anyone wants to see some more O'Brien suffering, there's always the IDW stuff. Honestly, probably half of why I kept reading was the morally gray man Harry Kim grew up to be. 😁
Can we get a sitcom where O'Brien and Bashir move into a duplex condo in San Francisco with their kids and grandkids and all sorts of family friendly hijinx ensue?
And Elim Garak's the weird uncle.
If it's written by any of the people who wrote Picard, forget it and let the man rest in peace.
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Yep.
Maybe he'll be more amenable to a voice role if Prodigy keeps going or another animated series comes along.
If they do another generation leap they should just copy Scotty's TNG appearance with O'Brien, shot for shot.
star trek needs star trek: legacy with seven of nine and others
I feel like Dennis the buffer buff from the Lower Decks S3 Premiere was intended to be O’Brien, (Transporter enthusiast, war veteran) but for whatever reason it didn’t pan out…
… which I honestly felt worked out for the best. Dennis was like my grandpa.