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Some people will be miserable no matter who is running

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Can she remember what she had for breakfast? If so, she's got my vote.

[–] [email protected] 102 points 4 months ago (5 children)

And this is why I'll never be president.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Seriously. I NEVER know what she had for breakfast.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’d vote for you if you legalize my medicinal cocaine.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Don’t forget about my emotional support prostitute.

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[–] Reverendender 46 points 4 months ago (4 children)

She could be a human suit full of spiders and she would have my vote.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 4 months ago (3 children)

We’re electing a president, not a monarch. Nobody is above criticism, and there’s a weird segment of people who act like criticism from the left exists only to help the right.

Like, I actually saw someone say we shouldn’t do it because it’s too nuanced for the average voter, and sorry but I don’t do paternalism like that. If reading criticism of how a candidate isn’t far enough left makes you vote further right, that’s a basic political literacy problem.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I mean, we could focus on defeating the GOP and the day after the election results come in start using social pressure to guide our elected officials. If the criticism risks the GOP seizing even more power, it might be counterproductive to your goals even if the criticism is valid.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse. For example, Harris’ record as DA is worth criticizing, but any bad decisions related to imprisoning people are going to be a million times worse under Trump, as Project 2025 shows.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse.

Your argument would be great if we didn't live in the reality presented below. There are too many people sitting on the fence who legitimately cannot discern between a mediocre candidate and a career conman, criminal rapist. Where you see nuance, others see "she's no better than Trump".

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20240721200927/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html

I like Harris as much as I like Biden, which is not at all, but the alternative is the very real possibility of the end of America.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (7 children)

For my money those charts will look very different after the next debate.

There’s also not a combination of words that’s going to convince me leftists criticizing Dems are going to kill America. Even if Trump gets elected, you are missing every potential lesson if what you take away is “leftists too mean.”

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[–] Socsa 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Because when all those people do is criticize Democrats, sabotage outreach efforts, and don't put any time or effort into defeating fascists, then it is very obvious where they stand.

Like I get it - huffing farts from time to time is great. But you gotta take a break and mix some productive advocacy and outreach if you actually care about Democracy instead of just smelling farts.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago

Maybe I'm super cynical, but does that really matter on Lemmy and the platforms connected to it?

Like, who's reading this comment section that's actually on the fence about going out and voting for a Harris ticket? It has to be a miniscule fraction.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Some people think criticizing is the same thing as not supporting.

If you want things to get better, you have to honestly and critically examine your leaders, not blindly support them and pretend they are flawless. Shutting down criticism is short-sighted nonsense and will only lead to worse candidates in the future.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Right. The problem with the current political atmosphere in America is that only one of the two parties is actually self-critical. The other is a cult of personality that can do no wrong. They set the reality from the top, and everyone below falls in line.

Only one side of the political aisle in the US will ever actually admit they were wrong about something instead of doubling down on it. Only one side will, at this point, admit defeat even.

In a Real Politik sense, this is a weakness.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Those in the highest positions of power should damn well have criticism. The argument otherwise seems to imply that accountability and transparency have no place in American politics

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Probably, but misogyny and racism is easier to call out than defending an old man who shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car, let alone a country.

And Trump is still too damn old, even ignoring the fact that he's a repugnant human being to boot.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I was a major biden naysayer. Id always love more but this was a huge ask that was answered. Lets kick republican ass

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[–] Socsa 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure the Russians already have their list of alliterative agitprop ready to test on .ml before pushing the best ones to prod on Reddit and Facebook.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

The positive take would be to start with the "Trump is too old for 4 more years as a President" memes.

Instead we have these "those who don't instantly bend the knee are against us" memes that, frankly, have quite the wiff of the typical Far-Right/Foreign Propaganda Op purposefully sowing division on the Left.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I don't know.

I really dislike Harris. She's probably the bottom of my pick list for the nominee and a Dem President.

But it's not like a gaping sore of a liability the way Biden was.

I'm excited the conversation can finally shift to "Trump fell asleep during his own convention? Doesn't he seem tired in his speech?"

I think it being a woman nominee is an interesting newsworthy discussion point at a time when the other party is actively working to harm women - even if she's the last of the many other qualified women I'd rather see in the position.

I don't like her, I don't like listening to her nonsensical off the cuff statements, I thought she did very poorly in the 2020 campaign, I am anxious about a law enforcement politician as President in a system with too much Presidential power over the Justice department.

But in spite of all that, I just don't care enough to push back strongly on her.

She's boring in the neoliberal way we've gotten used to, but she's not addled and she's not a neo-Nazi, and with an interesting VP pick she's a ticket I could potentially even be excited about four months from now instead of watching her be put into a nursing home as the October surprise.

I'd love to see an actual competitive open convention, but barring that I'm just going to accept a turd sandwich that's palatable, as even that seemed like a stretch a week ago, and I'll take what I can get.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (6 children)

She's a woman, and she's black, of course there will be opposition.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It'll be interesting to see what minor controversy from her past that voters glom onto and equivocate with Trump's blatant assault on democracy.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (10 children)

She argued in court in favor of California's death penalty, and she threatened to jail parents of truant kids while she was the DA in San Francisco. It's more complicated than those sound bites--like, it was her job to argue the state's position--but you'll get the sound bite opposition.

I don't like Harris since I support 2A rights in addition to things like LGBTQ+ rights, and right to choose, but I like her odds of winning more than I liked Biden's.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Just a reminder that Harris has a voting record to the left of all Senate Democrats.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678/report-card/2020

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

from your own link, that’s only because she’s the least bipartisan dem in the senate.

govtrack’s “left-right ideology” ranking is flawed, it doesn’t look at the content of the bills at all. in govtrack’s own words the ideology ranking “may be measuring something else, perhaps something more closely related to partisan-ness”.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (15 children)

eyup. new directive is pushing the harris bad narrative now that project get joe to drop is complete.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And I will remain blind to them. America is about to live in the context of the Coconut Lady. (I will support whoever gets the nomination at the end of the DNC.)

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I would support a steaming pile of Biden's dogs shit over that old as fuck racist rapist with 34 felonies. VOTE

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This whole debate among the American left just feels to me as a big sign of "letting perfect be the enemy of good"

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Thus far I've only seen memes over people salty about Biden making the right decision talking about rhetoric switching to Kamala. In fact I've seen several now.

It's like you want something to push back against so bad you need to make it!

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Yeah I was wrong... Jimmydoreisalefty is spamming anti Kamala memes right when Russia starts their 9-5 shifts like it's his job... Oh wait

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (9 children)

What will the tankies use to justify not voting now?

Probably her prosecution of Marijuana possession.

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