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Here is the thread of theirs

I have been looking through a long thread on another instance where a few users have been trying to convince that instance to defederate from Exploding Heads - because they do not want to see the content posted on Exploding Heads.

I have thought long and hard about how to please these people. They do have the option to individually block Exploding Heads communities or users, but they either do not know how to or simply do not want to.

In the end I realized if I ban those specific users requesting defederation from Exploding Heads - they will not see any content from Exploding Heads and therefore will not be offended by it. (Truth be told I am not sure if some of these users have really visited our site or interacted with our users).

So today I have banned those users with the explanation that they have said they do not want to see Exploding Heads content. If any of those users wish to be unbanned in the future, all they have to do is say so and I will happily unban them.

These users are not being banned in order to censor them, but to help them achieve what they have been requesting - to not see Exploding Heads content.

I hope you all find this a fair and reasonable action - if not let me know.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

That's an interesting strategy tbh. Remind me of "you have been banned from r/Pyongyang". Honestly the people screaming defederation is more annoying and more active than the community they are screaming at, so I am all for this approach.

Maybe when the technology is more mature, this process will be done through automated bot. That's something to think about too.

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[–] azuresitjw 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Reasonable, I think. It seems there's a faction of users going all or nothing across the instances, holding pitchforks and clutching their pearls, screaming, "Defederate or doom is upon us!" Man, I can block something if I don't want to see it. Or the alternative they chose, personal ban. It's not the end of times. I want to believe instances are trying to reach a middle ground here to preserve the spirit of federation.

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[–] Socsa 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Considering the entire point of places like this is to weaponize social media for far right forces, color me skeptical. Though I guess Imaybe they are still in a "protecting the movement" phase of "Nazis ruin everything" so maybe it makes sense.

Edit - I see what's going on here. Op is a right wing troll. Do not feed the troll.

[–] god 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ok so serious question, why do you (& others) say they're nazis? I've checked the instance and haven't seen anything that reminds me of nazism.

[–] Trekman10 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

just perusing the communities tab over there, I saw TheDonald, a covid-19 subreddit with a conspiratorial tone, and "anarcho-capitalism". While these things aren't inherently nazi, they have a common association with right wing bigotry at the very least, and often appeal to fascists.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Good ol "not all Trumpists, covid conspiracy theorists, and anarcho-capitalists are fascists, but all fascists are Trumpists, covid conspiracy theorists, and anarcho-capitalists."

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Awesome. Can you guys just ban me now, or do I have to start a "defederate the fashy chuds" thread first?

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[–] ShadowAether 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that's certainly an interesting strategy, let's see how that works out

[–] goat 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seems fair to me.

Though I think those who don't like this instance should just block the communities and move on.

[–] Cheradenine 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Agreed, exploding heads is not for me, so I block and move on. I am new so I still use All to see what's going on and find new content. This NIMBY 'let's defederate' seems counterproductive. Looking at you beehaw.

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[–] ShadowAether 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't really have any complaints about it (I mean about them blocking users not their content), I guess they don't have a lot of tools to reduce visibility. But I really should have put "Positive reaction to instance mass banning users who complain" on my lemmy drama bingo card this morning because I did not see that coming

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[–] imaqtpie 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kecessa 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not at all... You're allowing the problematic users to continue causing problems.

[–] imaqtpie 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Explain how defederating them will stop them from causing problems? They can just as easily make an account over here to mess with us if they wanted.

If anything you're the one poking the hornet's nest. The OP is literally them trying not to offend or bother our users. Just let them be and everything will be fine.

[–] Kecessa 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most won't bother creating a new account just to bother users on other instances.

Defederation doesn't prevent them from posting here, we just won't see their comments. It doesn't prevent us from posting there if we want to either.

[–] imaqtpie 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol what?

That's exactly what defederation does, it will prevent them from posting here and us from posting there.

[–] Kecessa 5 points 1 year ago (30 children)

No, I can still post on Beehaw, only people federated with sh.itjust.works can see my messages

[–] imaqtpie 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

If the only people who can see the messages are local users, than you're not really posting on Beehaw, you're posting on sh.itjust.works

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[–] Socsa 3 points 1 year ago

Because the entire point of these places is to weaponize social media for far right propaganda purposes.

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[–] goat 5 points 1 year ago (12 children)

How? They remain in their own instance.

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[–] Cracks_InTheWalls 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't solve the larger problems, but if I'm blocked that does make me happy that I can't see their content as of right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am OOTL. What is "explodingheads" Is it a lemmy instance?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Yes; it seems to be a fash instance or otherwise just full of hateful garbage.

[–] goat 5 points 1 year ago

It's a separate instance that has only like 20-something active users. Their modlog is pretty vigilant in taking down bigoted content that uses slurs, but there's still discussion of some controversial topics.

Your best method is visiting their instance and coming to a conclusion by yourself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Also kbin users if you want to block them you can go to https://kbin.social/d/exploding-heads.com and block them.
For other kbin instances replace kbin.social.

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