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Here is the thread of theirs

I have been looking through a long thread on another instance where a few users have been trying to convince that instance to defederate from Exploding Heads - because they do not want to see the content posted on Exploding Heads.

I have thought long and hard about how to please these people. They do have the option to individually block Exploding Heads communities or users, but they either do not know how to or simply do not want to.

In the end I realized if I ban those specific users requesting defederation from Exploding Heads - they will not see any content from Exploding Heads and therefore will not be offended by it. (Truth be told I am not sure if some of these users have really visited our site or interacted with our users).

So today I have banned those users with the explanation that they have said they do not want to see Exploding Heads content. If any of those users wish to be unbanned in the future, all they have to do is say so and I will happily unban them.

These users are not being banned in order to censor them, but to help them achieve what they have been requesting - to not see Exploding Heads content.

I hope you all find this a fair and reasonable action - if not let me know.

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[–] imaqtpie 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Kecessa 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not at all... You're allowing the problematic users to continue causing problems.

[–] imaqtpie 14 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Explain how defederating them will stop them from causing problems? They can just as easily make an account over here to mess with us if they wanted.

If anything you're the one poking the hornet's nest. The OP is literally them trying not to offend or bother our users. Just let them be and everything will be fine.

[–] Kecessa 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most won't bother creating a new account just to bother users on other instances.

Defederation doesn't prevent them from posting here, we just won't see their comments. It doesn't prevent us from posting there if we want to either.

[–] imaqtpie 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol what?

That's exactly what defederation does, it will prevent them from posting here and us from posting there.

[–] Kecessa 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No, I can still post on Beehaw, only people federated with sh.itjust.works can see my messages

[–] imaqtpie 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the only people who can see the messages are local users, than you're not really posting on Beehaw, you're posting on sh.itjust.works

[–] Kecessa 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's still replying to a discussion started on a beehaw community. All replies federated or not are "on your instance", only users on instances federated with yours can see your messages.

If we defederate from EH they'll still be able to post here and users from [insert instance federated with EH] would see their messages when looking at the post on our instance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not how it works.

Other instances get information about who posted/commented to your instance from your instance, and that tells them which instances to ask for the content of those posts/comments. If you're defederated from an instance, they will not get any notice that there is content to fetch from that instance in the first place.

Technically, it might be possible to ask the defederated instance directly if it had any content to show, but as it stands the only instance that gets "asked" directly is the local instance.

As such, if you defederate from EH, the rest of the fediverse won't see EH users posting shit to your instance. Only EH users will see EH posts/comments to your instance.

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[–] goat 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sorry, but comments you make on defederated instances are only available to you and other instance users. No one from beehaw will be able to see them. You'd be posting on sh.it, not beehaw.

[–] Kecessa 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's exactly what I'm saying...

The goal is that sh.it don't have to deal with EH users, EH users can still comment "here" if they feel like it, we just don't see their post because we're registered to an instance that's defederated from theirs.

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[–] darkwing_duck 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, you can't. You're posting on sh.itjust.works's copy of beehaw's thread. Being defederated with them, not a single beehaw user will see your comment. Only users from your specific instance will.

[–] Kecessa 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes and that's exactly the point of defederating from an instance? They can do whatever they please on their side, we don't need to see it.

[–] darkwing_duck 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want to see varied opinions. I do NOT want another filter bubble.

[–] Kecessa 4 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Then you're free to join EH and enjoy the freedom to look at racist, homophobic and conspiracy content, it doesn't mean that should be imposed on communities that value tolerance.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Have you gone onto the beehaw instance directly to see if your posts are there? From what i'm aware it's possible to post in the snapshot of a defederated instance but it won't actually reach that site.

The only threads that should be on your instance are the ones from prior to defederation

[–] Kecessa 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the clarification!

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[–] Socsa 3 points 1 year ago

Because the entire point of these places is to weaponize social media for far right propaganda purposes.

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[–] goat 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How? They remain in their own instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if they're remaining on their own instance, what's the problem with defederating from them?

[–] goat 3 points 1 year ago

Since it means no one from sh.it can wander into their threads.

I like controversial discussions and challenging bigoted opinions (which is allowed on EH), but if sh.it was to defederate, I won't be able to do that.