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Sen. Mark Warner Forming a Group Of Democratic Senators To Call On Biden To Drop Out (www.washingtonpost.com)

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago

Flipping the candidate 4-5 months before the election is the dumbest fucking idea. Other than the obvious legal battles and terrible optics, the logistics of getting a unified candidate and get that information out to the public before the election is impossible.

Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican for attacking the Dem candidate. It won't do anything good, it will fail, and it will be used to attack Biden going forward. Being critical and shooting yourself and country in the face don't have to be the same thing.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican

I would say that any one suggesting the Democrats stick with a candidate polling in the low thirties might as well be a Republican.

Republicans need the Democrats to stick with Biden. They literally are fucked if the Democrats pick almost any other candidate. 70% of Americans think Biden is mentally unfit to be President.

70%.

Thats an insane number. Biden is over. He can't win with numbers like that.

There aren't going to be any legal battles and its going to be the best earned media the Democrats will ever get in the history of the party if they go to a contested convention. The presidential election is nothing at all like a smaller regional race. Whoever ends up being the candidate will get literally billions of dollars in earned media by simply "becoming" the candidate. The whole drama of it suddenly engages what is currently a completely disengaged voting populace.

So no.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Whoever ends up being the candidate will get literally billions of dollars in earned media by simply “becoming” the candidate. The whole drama of it suddenly engages what is currently a completely disengaged voting populace.

This is the most important bit IMO.

At this point, I don't even think of dumping Biden as just a satisfactory fallback position, but as a winning strategy, and specifically for this reason.

It's not as if Biden suddenly became a weak candidate the night of the debate - he's been a weak candidate all along. As I just said earlier, the only thing that changed with the debate is that more people came to that conclusion.

And all it would take to motivate the base - to get Democrats enthused in a way that they haven't been since 2008 - is to throw open the nomination. That would bring the race a sense of excitement and hope that hasn't just been missing since the debate, but all along.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

At this point, I don’t even think of dumping Biden as just a satisfactory fallback position, but as a winning strategy, and specifically for this reason.

I see it as a prerequisite for victory.

It’s not as if Biden suddenly became a weak candidate the night of the debate - he’s been a weak candidate all along.

The debate just made it undeniable. The excuses for his performance at the debate have been even more embarrassing.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

Name one time...just one where replacing the incumbent 5 months from the general election worked.

This is not just a dumb idea, but people who think like this simply do not have a fucking clue how politics works.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Name one time we ran an 81 year old who brags about beating Medicare.

We're already dealing with an unprecedented situation.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I agree with just about everything you say, but I have one question:

And all it would take to motivate the base - to get Democrats enthused in a way that they haven't been since 2008 - is to throw open the nomination. That would bring the race a sense of excitement and hope that hasn't just been missing since the debate, but all along.

What do you mean by "throw open," exactly?

I would love a real second primary with an array of candidates not all of whom were preselected by the billionaires. And a large inclusive debate or two. Is that what you are suggesting?

Or maybe you mean let the billionaires and their purchased Dem elites make a selection for us in a smoke filled room behind closed doors?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I would love a real second primary with an array of candidates not all of whom were preselected by the billionaires. And a large inclusive debate or two. Is that what you are suggesting?

Yes.

Sorry - I thought "throw open" was a commonly understood phrase.

It means to open something suddenly and completely - no incremental stages and no limitations - just immediately from closed to fully and completely open.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I know what the phrase means but I didn't dare to believe such an optimistic soul could exist. You proved my doubts were unwarranted.

Very cool, and I support your idea 120%! I believe it is possible because the DNC just routinely makes up rules on the go, so nothing's stopping them from opening a second primary. I would be super interested if it were a truly open and a properly democratic primary.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

At this point, I don’t even think of dumping Biden as just a satisfactory fallback position, but as a winning strategy, and specifically for this reason.

100%

It’s not as if Biden suddenly became a weak candidate the night of the debate - he’s been a weak candidate all along. As I just said earlier, the only thing that changed with the debate is that more people came to that conclusion.

100%

And all it would take to motivate the base - to get Democrats enthused in a way that they haven’t been since 2008 - is to throw open the nomination. That would bring the race a sense of excitement and hope that hasn’t just been missing since the debate, but all along.

and 100%.

Drop Biden and claim the W. Give us someone we can vote for and we will.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Or just vote for the guy who has had win after win after political win for years now.

Have you all been living under a rock? Policy wise Biden is killing it!

We already knew he was old. Nothing has changed.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Worse... making a public campaign to make biden withdraw, even if not successful, is a terrible idea.

Honestly, the worst possible thing for the left.

Not only a lame duck candidate, but public infighting to undermine support.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Is the left in the room with you right now?

There is no left.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Of course there is, it's just not as far left as you would like.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I think a shotgun primary could really fire up the base. Let the new faces promise things that get people excited to vote instead of this grim responsibility we're feeling now

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

Sen Mark Warner might as well be a Republican for attacking the Dem candidate.

BoTh SiDeS!!!!

[-] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Running an 84 year old incumbent is the dumbest idea. Switching him out four months before the election when it's clear to everyone he's not up to the task is the second dumbest idea.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

Ok, GOP.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

And once again, the "everyone to my left is all the way to my right" bullshit.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago

The same Mark Warner that is basically GOP with a (D) next to his name? Oh, like we wouldnt see through that

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Plus Biden was elected, right? Like, Democratic voters chose him to be the Democratic candidate?

Can another party vote happen at this point?

Or is there another formal procedure for these circumstances that involve the people? (E.g. the people chose their top three preferred candidates?)

Otherwise, Indeed, that "democrat" asshole calling for this is part of the treason train.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

In which primary?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So there was no voting this time around?

Edit: it was a genuine question.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

You're seriously going to pretend what we got was a primary?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I'm not pretending. I really don't know. I'm a first time voter, and I've been living in France for the past year (will be back in Seattle just in time to vote for the general elections.)

[-] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago

You don't primary an incumbent you utter potato.

Jesus it's like you guys failed poli sci 101.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I was replying to someone who acted like we had a primary.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Last time we did that, we got Nixon.

Nice try, Comrade.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

People keep saying that while skipping over the fact that Robert Kennedy would probably have been the nominee and defeated Nixon if he hadn't been assassinated in June.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

And out come the purity tests.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

If he was a true R, he wouldn't be pushing to remove Biden. We all know where this current situation is heading.

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Nah push for ranked voting instead corporate democrats

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I'm sucking it up and going to voter for whomever we get that isn't Joe Biden.

We can figure out how we actually take over the DNC after we ensure there will be a "next election".

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Just vote for Joe and stop killing his incumbent momentum.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

Bro he' s never had any and you're lying to yourself to said he had any.

At no point in the past 500 days has he been in a position to even be competitive in this election.

Pretending that this guy has a chance when every iota of evidence we have says he's going to lose is basically the equivalent of voting for Trump.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

All of this because the Whitehouse didn't juice Biden up with the Doctor Feelgood syringe left over from the Kennedy years.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

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