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Good.
We don't need to feed Christianity's martyr complex.
Just an endless search for justifications to be the victim. An endless desire to be the victim.
If the killer’s parents were approached by Fox/TMZ who wanted to turn just a few pages into some whacko documentary, would it be right to withhold the rest of the lunatic ramblings?
IDK how to feel about this, just know it’s weird
The victims families own the copyright, not the killers parents.
They transferred ownership to the victims families so anyone looking to make money off of it would be paying the victims families.
I’m wondering about precedent. With my “if”, think “how would courts rule if in a future case …” or “how would we feel …”
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The article states that the parents signed over the killer's estate to the victims' parents.
Which is why this case might feel fair to plenty of people. If you’re allowed to sign over an estate, though, and you sign it over to someone with a profit motive, maybe you’re allowed to essentially sell evidence the public is normally entitled to.
It's based on the Son of Sam law and (likely) the killer's family saw a way to alleviate the victim's worries by signing over the rights.
I know exactly how to feel about this- we shouldn't be promoting the writings of a mass murderer. We should forget his name and just remember his victims.
And it seems like the parents of those victims agree.
this sounds like ai generated bs for the onion but goddamn if we haven't arrived lol jesus
Writings should be released to expose their motive. The judge could put an order any money made be given to the family. But the public is mature enough to read it.
Edit: Hollywood pumps out movies constantly with war and gun violence themes but suddenly we’re not mature enough to handle this? Or is it the writing of a bullied trans kid that bothers them so much? Well now we won’t know.
You're missing the point entirely. Releasing the material was, presumptively, part of the shooters motivation. Increasing the notoriety of the perpetrator. Releasing the material would validate the shooters motives and encourage copycats. I don't know why you would think that's not enough.
How is this different from any other shooting where there is a manifesto left behind? This is nothing new and it is very common that they are released very shortly after the shooting.
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It's becoming less and less common. Stephen Paddocks motives weren't released til 3 years or so later. If the Uvalde shooter had one it wasn't released. Anything known about the Newtown shooter was found by journalists way later. The rest happen when the killer is still alive.
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This is the only case that I know of where the killers writings are under control of the victims families.
They are released very quickly if they fit the desired political narrative, just look at the buffalo shooter and how quickly every major news article dove into his manifesto as soon as they got their hands on it. If and when it can be used to promote a specific view it is released, if it doesn’t promote the correct view it sits for a while until they can figure out how to spin it or the hype dies down and if it hurts the desired view it is blocked like this one.
I would also suggest that you never speak or write any of these assholes’ real names. The notoriety is what they seek and every time a stranger mentions them by name they get their wish.
Ask a question then reply telling me I'm wrong? Whatever doofus.
The Buffalo shooter also livestreamed part of his shooting on twitch, with a swastika on his weapon. The media getting information is significantly different than police releasing information. Assuming media orginaztions are in a conspiracy to push a narrative and not just squeezing every dime they can out of these tragedies is goofy. And I'm writing some of their names to demonstrate that my knowledge of these crime is a little beyond average.
I'd suggest you pull your head out of your ass.
The media are absolutely working together to push specific political viewpoints. This specific manifesto being blocked fits perfectly with the openly stated political goals of the majority of media in the US.
A judge in Tennessee is the one preventing the release of this manifesto. Media outlets are the ones trying to obtain it. Try again.
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It's not about the public's 'rights' tho. It's about the victims' families and their rights ... which in this case the judge decided on the side of the families.
I for one am glad of that because it gives the families at least some sense of control over a situation they originally had zero control over.
Gun regulation is control which is declined.
A judge Giving away first amendment rights seems wrong. Making an “exception” to a law made specifically for this.
Seems to me it would only be blocked if it was embarrassing. Everyone in the shooters life could’ve failed them because they’re ’good Christian’s’. The kid could’ve also been insane but now we won’t know will we.
Ok. So how would you personally benefit from the killer's writings being publically released?
Maybe I wouldn’t send my trans kid to that school if it’s a place known for fostering hate.
The school's name was already published. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting
That doesn’t tell the public anything about why a shooting occurred.
You stated that knowing the school's name would help you. The school's name is public. Therefore your 'want' has been fulfilled.
I wanted to know why the shooting occurred at that particular school. Nothing has been done. Especially if there was anti-trans sentiment being used against the shooter daily. It being a Christian private school would fit the narrative. Totally speculative but a person who murders their bullies instead of just killing themselves is a more believable scenario
Then pressure the police to complete their investigation and release the findings.
That’s probably why all those groups mentioned in the article are suing
They're not suing. They filed a public records request with the cops.
The ruling, filed just before midnight Thursday, comes more than a year after several groups filed public records requests for documents seized by Metro Nashville Police during their investigation into the March 2023 shooting.
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