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Writings should be released to expose their motive. The judge could put an order any money made be given to the family. But the public is mature enough to read it.
Edit: Hollywood pumps out movies constantly with war and gun violence themes but suddenly we’re not mature enough to handle this? Or is it the writing of a bullied trans kid that bothers them so much? Well now we won’t know.
You're missing the point entirely. Releasing the material was, presumptively, part of the shooters motivation. Increasing the notoriety of the perpetrator. Releasing the material would validate the shooters motives and encourage copycats. I don't know why you would think that's not enough.
How is this different from any other shooting where there is a manifesto left behind? This is nothing new and it is very common that they are released very shortly after the shooting.
It's becoming less and less common. Stephen Paddocks motives weren't released til 3 years or so later. If the Uvalde shooter had one it wasn't released. Anything known about the Newtown shooter was found by journalists way later. The rest happen when the killer is still alive.
This is the only case that I know of where the killers writings are under control of the victims families.
They are released very quickly if they fit the desired political narrative, just look at the buffalo shooter and how quickly every major news article dove into his manifesto as soon as they got their hands on it. If and when it can be used to promote a specific view it is released, if it doesn’t promote the correct view it sits for a while until they can figure out how to spin it or the hype dies down and if it hurts the desired view it is blocked like this one.
I would also suggest that you never speak or write any of these assholes’ real names. The notoriety is what they seek and every time a stranger mentions them by name they get their wish.
Ask a question then reply telling me I'm wrong? Whatever doofus.
The Buffalo shooter also livestreamed part of his shooting on twitch, with a swastika on his weapon. The media getting information is significantly different than police releasing information. Assuming media orginaztions are in a conspiracy to push a narrative and not just squeezing every dime they can out of these tragedies is goofy. And I'm writing some of their names to demonstrate that my knowledge of these crime is a little beyond average.
I'd suggest you pull your head out of your ass.
The media are absolutely working together to push specific political viewpoints. This specific manifesto being blocked fits perfectly with the openly stated political goals of the majority of media in the US.
A judge in Tennessee is the one preventing the release of this manifesto. Media outlets are the ones trying to obtain it. Try again.
Presumptively
It is material was reviewed by a judge, the shooters family and the victims families. If you want to say it's presumptively a manifesto and not almost definitely a manifesto. Then use that distinction to rationalize your point, congratulations.
With the recent rulings by judges (especially in conservative states) I have no faith in judicial review.
That's apples and oranges. This shooter has the potential to be the Trans version of Elliot Rodgers. Trying to attach a christo-facist motivation to this ruling is a stretch and a half.
The motivations of mass killers isn't really relevant for anything. People capable of that level of violence are such an anomaly that other indicators are more important, from a psychological perspective, than their self-determined motives.
Largest mass killer in us history was the Vegas shooter, Stephen Paddock. His motivation was that he was feeling slighted by the casinos for not getting enough perks for being a "big spender". What is a psychologist supposed to do with that for helping prevent other mass shooters? Trying to attach some silence of the lambs bullshit to crimes like this is foolish. Even then, that's the FBI doing it which then can be trickled out to medical journals etc. The best thing for the public is for these killer to be remembered as dead monsters.
You’re presuming again, everything you said
Presuming how? My main point is that the shooters motivations is mostly irrelevant and releasing their writings dould encourage copycats. Like we actually saw with Elliot Rodgers.
What am I presuming?
You’re presuming they’re a monster who did it for no reason. As they say, one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. Again, speculation. You’re advocating for the Christo-Fascist withholding information
Edit: you could be right, you could be very wrong and this person may have been a victim themselves.
Whenever it's a white, straight, male, shooter, (which is the majority of shooters in cases like this) all of their manifestos and videos get posted online and then the media goes around like clockwork to victimize the criminal. Especially if it turns out the while straight male shooter is also in a Christian family.
But in the extremely rare case that a person of the lgbtq community is a shooter, it becomes glaringly obvious that they were bullied and the systems in place failed them over and over again. "But we better not... for the victims families sake."
It's always about victimizing the straights and the religious and making the lgbtq the issue at every turn. Just like how, all of a sudden, conservatives are exclaiming how worried they are about children being around the LGBT but they are a-okay with all the child-abusing priests or their child raping president and the Christian families that basically send their children to torture camps if they so much as breathe a rainbow.
There's way to small of a sample size for non-white cis male shooters for you to justify that statement. What was Nicolas Cruzes motivation? Or James Holmes? Or charles Whittmans? They're just violent psychopaths. Attaching a logical motivation to the acts of violent psychopaths is a fools errand, regardless of the identity.
Even the bullied trope comes from the Columbine shooters and they were not bullied, they were bullies. The saturation of media coverage led to presumptions of their motives. The public making those diagnoses is harmful and increases the celebrity of the killers which will motivate the next one.
That's not a presumption though, or even speculation. Was the shooter bullied by kids they killed? No, again, that's speculation though. Even if they were bullied, it's misplaced anger and an inability to cope with their own issues. Releasing the manifesto would validate their martyrdom.
Assuming this ruling has anything to do with a christo-facist agenda is the most egregious and, likely, wrong presumption anyone is making. If I'm defending the christo-facist you are defending the motives of a, literal, mass murder of children.
Low energy. I was saying you were assuming this ruling had something to do with a christo-facist agenda, numbnuts
You’ve been defending this judge and the withholding of evidence while demonizing a child for hours now, low energy lol whatever. This child could’ve been raped for years by the Christian school administrators. That’s why the journals should be released. You’re all in on defending the Christo-Fascists while trying to depict me in a bad light. Clutch you pearls somewhere else.
You've been spending hours pretending that there is a scenario where the murder of children can be rationalized into a logical motive. They. Can. Not.
Making their manifesto increases their celebrity, which is a bad thing. Because spree killers want to be famous. This is 101 of the profile of these type of killers. You're too invested in the culture war around this to see the occoms razor.
You’re a stalker
It's not about the public's 'rights' tho. It's about the victims' families and their rights ... which in this case the judge decided on the side of the families.
I for one am glad of that because it gives the families at least some sense of control over a situation they originally had zero control over.
Gun regulation is control which is declined.
A judge Giving away first amendment rights seems wrong. Making an “exception” to a law made specifically for this.
Seems to me it would only be blocked if it was embarrassing. Everyone in the shooters life could’ve failed them because they’re ’good Christian’s’. The kid could’ve also been insane but now we won’t know will we.
Ok. So how would you personally benefit from the killer's writings being publically released?
Maybe I wouldn’t send my trans kid to that school if it’s a place known for fostering hate.
The school's name was already published. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nashville_school_shooting
That doesn’t tell the public anything about why a shooting occurred.
You stated that knowing the school's name would help you. The school's name is public. Therefore your 'want' has been fulfilled.
I wanted to know why the shooting occurred at that particular school. Nothing has been done. Especially if there was anti-trans sentiment being used against the shooter daily. It being a Christian private school would fit the narrative. Totally speculative but a person who murders their bullies instead of just killing themselves is a more believable scenario
Then pressure the police to complete their investigation and release the findings.
That’s probably why all those groups mentioned in the article are suing
They're not suing. They filed a public records request with the cops.
Maybe my would-be killer gets caught because their psychologist studied the killer’s writings and noticed a troubling pattern.
I don’t want even more manifestos glorified and memed on 4chan. I’m cognizant there’s generally a reason horrible things see the light of the public eye.
Body cam footage of someone’s worst moments of their life… release it, violate one person’s privacy, keep one officer/department accountable, public has to weigh that tradeoff.
Even releasing lottery winners’ names ruins lives, but otherwise some would assume the lottery’s fraudulent (money going to politicians’ friends)… instead of just a tax on the poor 🌈
None of that tells me how you would personally benefit from this killer's writings being published.
Not dying:
Guy wants to kill me. Guy complains about me to their therapist without mentioning killing me. Therapist thinks “wait, this sounds like something I’ve read…”
And what they read was some lunatic’s writings that were released. Therapist is then able to report their concerns via appropriate channels and medicates my would-be killer, and I live another day.
That is crap. What-ifs don't benefit you directly like that.
There is absolutely zero reason that the judge erred in his ruling.
You just want to feed your snoopy gene. Nothing else.
What do you mean?
When it comes to violence, I pretty much stop at the headlines. Watched brutal videos many years ago & I’m set for a lifetime on the bulk of true crime and also fictional violence.
I was actually wondering if materials could be released in a limited fashion: send an application, go to a reading room… try to avoid leaks but still let people get science done or whatnot.