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Idaho book ban goes into effect on Monday (www.khq.com)

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A new book ban goes into effect in Idaho on July 1.

House Bill 710, a key political win for the Idaho Family Policy Center (IFPC), is targeted at books with Black, feminist or LGBTQ+ themes. It allows any person affiliated with a student at a public or private school to sue its library for carrying a book with “obscene materials.”

The policy defines obscene materials as any literature containing nudity or homosexuality.

While the Bible contains each of these concepts in both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures, it does not seem that Christian and Jewish texts were the intended target of the ban, but rather books written by queer or Black authors.

IFPC voiced its opposition to The Handmaid’s Tale, the popular dystopian novel criticizing fascism and misogyny, on June 7 after it was removed from the Idaho Fine Arts Academy school library.

Governor Brad Little [R] signed the policy in April, saying that the bill would keep children from reading harmful materials.

The Idaho Library Association is against the bill and says it is harmful to young people, librarians and LGBTQ+ people.

Idaho’s education system ranked 47th in a January analysis of state education levels conducted by Scholaroo.

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[-] [email protected] 45 points 2 weeks ago

It's amazing how you always know you are on the wrong side of history when it comes to this. Did you ban a book? Yes? Ok you know where you are now.

Like everything else there is wiggle room, or you could have been dealing with a no-good alternatives situation, but this one test is absolute. You can make a moral justification for temporary slavery, say your nation is being invaded by people willing to genocide your population and you really need people to work for the war effort. Slavery is often considered the ultimate evil but there still exists situations where you could argue it needs to happen for a little while.

You just can never find a situation where ideas were dangerous and must be abolished from a person's head. Heresy is always a victimless crime. It does nothing to anyone else that someone commits wrong-think.

I just find this astonishing. Every other sin of the human race there is some crazy horrible circumstances that I can say it has to be this way because as bad as it is not doing it is worse. Except for one.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure how to react to a neo-nazi book club at the local high school doing membership drives though. There are always going to be people, regardless of society's guidance and teachings, who are extra susceptible to that kind of shit.

I think free speech absolutism leads to tolerating the intolerant, which just doesn't work when you are dealing with imperfect primate neurological evolution. People experience the uncaring universe, and our brains struggle to identify the complex and nuanced systems at the root of strife, causing them to look for simpler answers (Jewish space lasers vs. incomprehensible market interactions that over-exploit delicate ecosystems causing droughts). Our brains are set up to tackle problems at smaller scales, and what better way than scapegoating can you reduce a root cause to be more manageable? Mental gymnastics only have to be done once.

You can educate most people to equip them to defeat neo-nazi rhetoric logically, but humans cannot be programmed with the right answers and society will always produce some fuck-ups. Is it easier to prevent a new member of a hate group by banning their ideas, or let them ruin an innocent life and attempt to rehab them after?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure how to react to a neo-nazi book club at the local high school doing membership drives though.

Neither group reads books.

There are always going to be people, regardless of society’s guidance and teachings, who are extra susceptible to that kind of shit.

Well aware. Freedom has a price. There will always be people who will eat or lazy themselves into an early grave for example.

People experience the uncaring universe, and our brains struggle to identify the complex and nuanced systems at the root of strife, causing them to look for simpler answers (Jewish space lasers vs. incomprehensible market interactions that over-exploit delicate ecosystems causing droughts). Our brains are set up to tackle problems at smaller scales, and what better way than scapegoating can you reduce a root cause

Right so you personally know the truth and you have a right to stop other people from reading what you think is wrong because people dumber than you might fall for. Is that a good summary?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

That is a perfect summary! I do not trust the general public with neo-nazi propaganda, and have no qualms with banning it. Time has proven that dumb people are going to read it and drag down the rest of us. Nobody should be arguing with them at this point in history. The 1990's and 2000's were proving grounds for free speech absolutism for dumbasses, and it has failed miserably with the far-right power grabs that have been happening since. I want a better society, not a perfect one.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Guess I was too subtle.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

More likely that you don't know the meaning of the word "subtle."

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, but at least I am not a book burner.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago

Fair enough.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

Wonder when the state-mandated book burnings will be. Next year under Trump?

[-] scottmeme 4 points 2 weeks ago

Everything...

[-] Aurenkin 24 points 2 weeks ago

While the Bible contains each of these concepts in both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures, it does not seem that Christian and Jewish texts were the intended target of the ban, but rather books written by queer or Black authors.

So what, if those are the absurd rules that have passed they should be applied. If your special book meets the criteria sounds like a good reason not to have such a law in the first place.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Just start suing. Then donate all the money back to the library you sued.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

So much for the right being anti-censorship and pro free-speech lol

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Conservatism is fascism. The more conservative one is, the more fascist one is. Conservatives have never, ever supported free speech. Never.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

The Idaho Library Association is against the bill and says it is harmful to young people, librarians and LGBTQ+ people.

Yes, that is the point.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

The Bible has a passage about how men should noy lie with animals. Beastiality should be in libraries?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

It also has teenage girls date raping their dad. Instructions on how to give an abortion, the punishment of a pregnancy being lost through intentional means, which is far less than the punishment for murder, at least five genders, a man being punished by God for FAILING to nut in his brothers wife, which is LAW, God doing horrible shit to Job just to have a laugh, and Jesus going hard against a fruit tree even though the time of figs was not.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

I can forgive Jesus since he also saw a bunch of moneylenders and just braided a whip right then and there to fuck them up. Another little tale Christians deliberately do not read.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I like how they come up with bizarre excuses to believe the clear opposite of what Jesus taught. ''No no the gate of the city wall was called the 'eye of the needle' camels DID fit!'

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It would be cool if a private citizen or two set up tables around Idaho towns and just gave away these banned books to anyone that wanted them. The fear is those people that follow the teaching of a peace loving hippie that lived 2000 years ago would probably beat them up and threaten to kill them.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Deliberately unaware that they are now the tyrants who kill peace-loving hippies.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Imagine how bad it will get if the tankies get their way and we end up with another four years of trump.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

I simply cannot believe this is a thing in 2024. It's like we're living in an alternate reality. Just mind boggling.

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