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One House Democrat said he spoke for others in the wake of the president’s stunningly feeble debate performance on Thursday: “The movement to convince Biden to not run is real.”

The House member, an outspoken defender of the president, said that House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer should consider “a combined effort” to nudge President Joe Biden out of the race.

Crestfallen by the president’s weak voice, pallid appearance and meandering answers, numerous Democratic officials said Biden’s bet on an early debate to rebut unceasing questions about his age had not only backfired but done damage that may prove irreversible. The president had, in the first 30 minutes of the debate, fully affirmed doubts about his fitness.

A second House Democrat said “reflection is needed” from Biden about the way ahead and indicated the private text threads among lawmakers were even more dire, with some saying outright that the president needed to drop out of the race.

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[-] Lucidlethargy 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's almost like it was a stupid fucking decision in the first place to make Biden, Obama's embarrassing baggage, run for president.

So many of us fought this, and so many of us now hate the democratic party for this. They get zero sympathy from me at this stage.

I'm voting against Trump in this election just like I did in the last election, but after the conservatives retire the narcissistic criminal, all bets are off.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago

Remember when a huge coalition of people wanted RBG to retire? And then she didn't, and those people took it as courage or some such other virtue?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Fucking hate when you get "too old" out of people for one side but not the other.

All these fossils should have been sent to the farm years ago.

Max age for starting a term should be 70. In most places you can't be in control of a car without regular tests when you reach that age, yet you can be in control of the largest nuclear arsenal on Earth if you can still tell the difference between a cow and a horse.

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[-] [email protected] 96 points 6 days ago

We need ranked choice voting, and this 2 party system is complete bullshit and needs to go. Obviously, neither will happen, but it should.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

Just changing the voting system by itself won't get rid of the two party system, we also need proportional representation. I much prefer Approval Voting and Sequential Proportional Approval Voting because the results are as good, if not better than RCV, they're easier for the individual to understand, and it's impossible to submit an invalid ballot using either method. Plus RCV doesn't actually change the winner the vast majority of the time. Fargo and St. Louis both use approval voting and folks there appreciate being able to vote for everyone they like and know that their full ballot will always be counted.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Just changing the voting system by itself won't get rid of the two party system

Not immediately, but it is a necessary condition. A third party really can't exist without ranked choice voting. If allows for a third party candidate to run without pissing everybody off.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

Funny how people elected under the two party system aren't super motivated to change it.

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[-] [email protected] 93 points 6 days ago

Bidens about to go down as one of the worst Democrats in the last century because of his hubris if he doesn't. His decent domestic agenda will be overshadowed by him ushering in another trump presidency by ignoring all the signs for him to drop out. He didn't early last year when polls repeatedly showed that people thought he was too old. He didn't when unnamed democrat was leading him by 10 points. He didn't when his Gaza policy alienated large chunks of his base. If he doesn't in the next couple weeks when there will probably be polls coming out showing majority support for him stepping down then he's gone full head in the sand.

It's like RBG all over again, if these people could just get it through there heads to quit while there ahead they could preserve a decent legacy, instead of tarnishing it by leading the way to a regressive order that overturns everything they've done.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 6 days ago

Dont worry the DNC will find a way to blame Bernie for it

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

It’s like RBG all over again, if these people could just get it through there heads to quit while there ahead they could preserve a decent legacy, instead of tarnishing it by leading the way to a regressive order that overturns everything they’ve done.

This is one of the core problems of the Democrats: hubris. When Obama had a majority in the House and Senate, he could have easily pushed through a Supreme Court appointee to replace RBG. But she wouldn't go. Because in her mind, there was no one qualified to fill her shoes. She was convinced that she was the GOAT and that to voluntarily step down when it was safe to do so would be an insult. This is coupled with the fact that Democrats were absolutely, completely certain that they would win every election for the presidency after Obama without trying and that the "coalition of the ascendant" would easily put Hillary into the White House, and then she could be the first female president in US history and have an easy PR win by replacing an aging female supreme court justice.

I'm willing to bet we have the the same problem here, but in one person: Biden probably thinks the Democrats could never field anyone for president better than him and that his victory is a lock without any real effort to campaign for it again.

Fun fact: the last time anything like this happened it was with Grover Cleveland. Cleveland was the 22nd president of the United States who lost his re-election bid the first time around, and then got re-elected to be the 24th president of the United States. We are officially in the second Gilded Age.

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Shout out to the neoliberal dipshits who thought we needed another right-of-center incrementalist to beat Trump.

That one really fucking worked out...

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[-] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago

This is how Bernie can still win! /s

In the off chance they do replace him, they're going to force the worst possible candidate on us (Kamala?). Because what else are you going to do, let the bad guy win?

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[-] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Really cool feeling when your state has primaries long after super Tuesday and the candidates were already mathematically locked in before you get a say. I swear I only get a chance to influence presidential primaries half the time or so. It's strange to watch a 'democracy' keep moving when sometimes your voice doesn't count because of where you're from.

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[-] [email protected] 48 points 6 days ago

Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves. They stayed mum for three and half years and now they’re reaping the whirlwind.

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago

Stayed mum? They actively fought against allowing anyone to hold primaries.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago

Isn't it too late to get a new democrat as candidate anyway, right? I mean you need to register in all states before a deadline no?

[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

There, a candidate must win support from the majority of "delegates" - party officials who formally choose the nominee. Delegates are assigned to candidates proportionally based on the results of each state's primary election. This year, Mr Biden won almost 99% of the nearly 4,000 delegates.

According to the DNC rules, those delegates are "pledged" to him, and are bound to support his nomination.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open convention.

Presumably, Mr Biden would have some sway over his pledged delegates, but they would ultimately be free to do as they please.

That could lead to a frantic contest erupting among Democrats who want a shot at the nomination. Source

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[-] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago

Biden's big problem in the debate was that, for a few moments, he mumbled a confused answer that sounded like Donald Trump.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago

It was a no-win situation. The DNC gave in - once again - to their republican-lite mindset of ‘capturing undecided voters’ and agreed to get socked in the face , twice, for absolutely no gain and everything to lose.

DNC consultants have always been morons, but now they’re morons-from-the-90s who still don’t understand what’s changed.

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago

"reflection is needed"

I hate being pessimistic, but they're gonna drag out "reflecting" for so long that they will lose the election.

if our elected officials are actually serious, they better act quickly on this because yesterday was extremely embarrassing. time will tell.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

My prediction is that one of them doesn’t make it to Inauguration Day and the country panics as a result. Is likely? No. But on this timeline it makes the most sense

[-] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

If Trump wins and dies before taking office would be a lot worse then Biden dieing.

Before Trump's body is even cold there would be endless amount of conspiracies that Democrats killed Trump. The only saving grace would be Trump's VP and other blood suckers all have diarrhea for brains and lack the charisma to take advantage of the situation.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

Biden drops out Trump wins. What is the point of this?

[-] [email protected] 71 points 6 days ago

The point is that there is now a credible fear that if Biden does not drop out, Trump wins.

Replacing the candidate at the top of the ticket this late is a hail Mary, but it could bring unenthusiastic voters back into the Democratic tent.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Trumps base is smaller, but passionate, they will show up. Biden doesn't really have followers, he has people that are just glad that he isn't Trump. But at this point it's embarrassing to even vote for him for that reason.... so people just won't show up to vote at all. All they have to do is have a sentient human that can complete a sentence and the hate for Trump will prevail. For the love of God. Do something DNC or Trump it is.

I just can't believe everyone is acting all surprised that the dude that could barely complete a sentence when he was 77 didn't get mysteriously better now that he's 81. Who woulda thought?...

We all know the DNC will do nothing, and Trump will win, and they are fine with it. Because they want to keep dragging this party to the right.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Trump wins if biden stays. I will vote for potato Biden before Trump, but I literally barely give a shit. The bar is literally so low and the democrats found a way to still struggle against a hated criminal. For the love of GOD, run someone else now. I will vote for anyone other than Trump but the LONG list of people that just want a sane person in there and currently won't vote for either will probably show up if a sentient human was an option.

New candidate, dems win. Sit around and do nothing, Trump wins. His smaller base is passionate. The democrats are pretty underwhelmed and embarrassed of Biden.

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