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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.
Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
disclaimer i have no opinion on this “media bias/fact check”, site. i just think the “don’t outsource critical thinking” comment is hilarious
"Okay, sounds good. Here is my own critical thinking backed up with some primary sources."
Believe it or not, ban, right away. We have the best users in the world because of ban.
Your mistake is citing western media. Also anything that isn't state propaganda is western media.
Wow, that's... bizarre reasoning.
it’s a winning new argumentation meta!
instant w’s, no skill required
Tankies don't like facts.
Media bias fact check cites the reasoning behind their determinations so you can decide for yourself if their assessments hold water or not.
I've been getting truly bizarre bans from them for a long time.
My favorite one was "orientalism" because I was explaining the basic complexity of translation between Mandarin and English as an example of how bizarre and complex translation is between all languages.
I banned lemmy.ml finally, otherwise you have to copy paste media bias fast check and dictionary definitions constantly, and so few of them can read in the first place it's barely worth it.
I banned lemmy.ml finally
A wise decision
I have quite a bit of patience (most days) to talk with someone who is stubbornly refusing to engage with the conversation in a way that would enable factual progress to be made, but when they are banning you / deleting you for making sense that they don’t want you to make, there’s not much to do but to look for the door.
Yea. I did have fun there for a while, because they're all looking to spend time arguing about literally anything, but like you said, it's extremely frustrating when the mod invades a thread about EV auto repair and bans you for a month because "[bigotry]this user hates commuting to work" or something equally absurd, baseless and unrelated.
I keep hearing about how bad lemmy.ml is, but I just don't get it. They've got a pretty ok linux community, and the political discussions from what I've seen tend to be mostly civil even if I don't agree with some of their opinions. Apparently there's ongoing drama about an overly banhappy moderator (which they're allegedly dealing with), but that happens sometimes even in good communities.
The way that lemmy.ml is talked about, I expect a level of insanity comparable to /r/conservative on reddit, so what am I missing?
A few things seem pretty stark.
The mods also remove posts constantly and arbitrarily.
ml mods also span literally dozens of communities, using different usernames so that they control huge parts of ml.
So if they don't like your brownie recipe in the cooking ml community, they ban you for months across all two dozen communities that they moderate.
There are crappy mods everywhere, but ml mods aren't even pretending to develop or maintain communities, they're a very small group of assholes controlling the largest communities pushing their weight around for fun
This results in stagnant, circle jerk communities that feel very stale.
This also results in stale, unproductive threads.
On the off chance you do stumble across a good conversation, it's surrounded by a much higher rate of boring fundamental geography where you have to prove that South Korea is actually a country before the person you're talking to will even accept the news article written about South Korea is real.
Since the mods communities don't have to follow any rules except being nice or listening to the mods that you are personal friends with, you can explicitly personally insult people who disagree with you and the mods will do nothing about it even though that's explicitly against the rules and it diminishes productive conversation.
Especially if that user is friends with one of the shitty mods, they'll just point you out and you'll be automatically banned because their cousin doesn't like your username or something.
Those are three big ones off the top of my head that I personally don't like about ml
The ml "news" is often ridiculous biased nonsense that you can't even address other than "That's an objectively false statement" or " The article says nothing of relevance at all and the headline is irrelevant to the content of the article".
After blocking ml, the news on lemmy went from like 30% legitimate to 70% legitimate in a flash.
I didn't do the math, but I do feel like I'm coming across twice as many relevant news articles as I was before and people are making intelligent, considered comments in those communities.
Not so in ml
They really don't like mediabiasfactcheck over there
Lol let me guess lemmy.ml? Surprised we haven't defederated from them yet. It's pretty much the new hexbear
Big instances straight up defederating does run the risk of causing a mass migration like with Hexbear, throwing ultra mega instances like .world into further moderation turmoil.
So that’s a choice that has to be made with care, though not a terrible one in the long term so long as the short term repercussions can be handled.
In the meantime I like reccomending folks join small instances with a defederation list and mod team they like (like mine). 🙂
I'm not Canadian, the only reason I picked lemmy.ca was because they defederated from hexbear good and early :o
That does show good judgement.
That filth goes to wherever they can troll people. The minute we ban .ml you'll see blahaj become the cesspit.
