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How to determine instances sh.itjust.works is blocked by? (self.main)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Whooping_Seal to c/main

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I was wondering if anyone knows how to figure out which instances are blocking this one? I know beehaw is as it was quite public, but now we are blocked by 2 and I am just curious which instance is the second one. I have looked on the awesome-lemmy-instances page and also tried Federation Observer, The Federation Info and FediDB but none of them seem to have this information.

Edit: Lemmymap seems like the easiest option, as you can't specifically search for an instance. It seems like https://news.cosocial.ca/instances is the other instance that has blocked us! Thank you bdonvr for mentioning this.

Edit2: It should be noted that this is a very small instance as mentioned by PriorProject, and is nothing to be worried about.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It should be noted that cosocial has 10 registered users according to their front-page. Small instances frequently make idiosyncratic federation decisions and exactly because they're small they have little impact on the overall health of the network.

Beehaw's defederation as a "load-bearing" instance in the lemmyverse that is already entangled via cross-instance subscriptions is much more damaging and degrades service for like an aggregate 50% of the lemmyverse.

I wouldn't sweat this cosocial thing, it will probably never impact you in a perceivable way.

[–] Whooping_Seal 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t sweat this cosocial thing, it will probably never impact you in a perceivable way.

I am not worried about it! I was more so curious if a larger instance had blocked us, since then it has some utility to know when commenting in communities on other instances. E.g. if someone from beehaw comments on [email protected] I know not to reply to them considering they won't see my comment (unless my understanding of federation is incorrect)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

But someone else might see it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

news.cosocial (remember, that they have a Mastodon instance too) works on allow list anyways

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

This website is specifically for that: https://fba.ryona.agency

lemm.ee is federated with everyone :D

Edit: just noticed my links only showed which instances the subject has blocked. The main page allows you to do it both ways:

Strangely, I can't see news.cosocial.ca in there. However, it does show that discuss.online and pawb.social have also defederated from sh.itjust.works.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Congratulations, you have found a tool made by Kiwi Farms - here is a Wikipedia article on the website

[–] Whooping_Seal 10 points 1 year ago

Thank you for pointing that out, I didn't even notice the kiwi farms git link at the bottom of the site.

[–] Whooping_Seal 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The links you posted are the inverse of what I was looking, although they do support the inverse here. Regardless that is a very nice website! I find it interesting that it shows different instances blocking sh.itjust.works than what I found on Lemmy map.

edit: I cannot write well today, I do apologize

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No worries hah I realised and edited mine also.

Yeah, the different instances is strange. It shows nothing for news.cosocial.ca, which has me wondering if it's aware of lemm.ee - maybe it isn't, and that's why I can't see it defederated from anything. Perhaps it's just something to do with how often the feds are updated, news.cosocial.ca seems pretty small and could be new.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

based kbin

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I warn you, that the existence of this tool made some Mastodon instances hide their block lists (or simply display the lists on e.g. static site)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I think it's remarkably silly to hide. like why not be open about who you block/don't block? unless you're ashamed of your actions?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://lemmymap.feddit.de/

Though it really only works on desktop. Click the "blocked" checkbox

[–] Whooping_Seal 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you! I have edited my post to reflect this

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why did Beehaw defederate it? I’m out of the loop…

[–] Whooping_Seal 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here is the post on Beehaw announcing the defederation from sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world

Tldr; there is a lack of moderating tools for this platform and given the community that Beehaw wants to create they cannot federate with large open-regestration instances. A few bad actors on these two instances were causing too much moderation hassle so they decided to defederate. They also wish for more granular federation controls akin to Mastodon, to avoid the nuclear option of defederation. At the time they also only had 4 moderators for the entire instance (people can't create their own communities)

Since then they have gotten more mods, and TheDude (our instance admin) has reached out to beehaw and they are currently collaborating which will likely lead to refederation (more can be found in this post on Beehaw)

Edit: I had some issues making this reply, so if you see this pop up more than once i sincerely apologize.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Is there any way to tell per instance?

[–] Guncle 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I personally don't care to use them myself, they generally don't ruin my reading experience unless its obvious spam. However, I have heard that they are the enemy of people who rely on screen readers. Screen readers will say something like "Tongue sticking out emoji". So depending on where they are placed in text it can probably be really difficult to read things.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did your comment end up on the wrong post? Websockets seem to be falling apart this week and leading to all kinds of weird bugs.

[–] Guncle 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep totally wrong post lol. Sorry for the missing context, I was trying to reply to a thread about the use of emojis.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No worries, I think there's a legit bug in Lemmy doing this right now even if you make no mistakes.

[–] tobor 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh! That was my post. Actually I didn't know about the screen reader thing, that's actually a legit reason to use alternatives

[–] Guncle 1 points 1 year ago

lol I'm glad my post made its way around to you then.

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