We should have a gun drive to send out excess weapons and ammo over to Ukraine. Lord knows we have enough guns in this country to spare a few...
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I doubt its legal to do so, ITAR regulations come to mind first.
We could donate them through the Miami police apparently.
This gun was involved in a murder, but we're not going to bother investigating it anyway so you guys may as well have it.
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Random florida man sitting on his couch sipping a bud light seeing this on fox news and recently got is gun confiscated:
"I'm dooing my part"
He's probably sipping a Busch or another brand that he doesn't realize is owned by the same company, because "gO wOkE gO bRoKe"
Also, while shooting bud light in his backyard with a rifle, opposing “cancel culture”
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Does Ukraine really want a bunch of guns of different makes and models that accept different types of ammunition? That seems like it'd be more of a hinderance than a help, logistically.
Ukraine has logistics for both NATO and Soviet ammunition. As long as the guns use either of of those it should be fine.
I think Gun Jesus has a video about this. They have alsorts of small arms but they tend to group the same ones together so a platoon sized element have the same equipment
Ukraine has been using a patchwork of different weapons and calibers since the wars beginning. If we want to say all infantry weapons being sent are of the same caliber they have two old Soviet weapons and now NATO standard hardware. Grunts can carry a 7.62x39mm AK, a 5.56x45mm M4, or a 5.45x39mm AK. Ukrainian soldiers have been spotted carrying even older caliber weapons like the Mosin's 7.62x54mmR, 7.62x51mm NATO in FAL rifles, and I wouldn't be surprised if older equipment is in use. If this drags out long I'm guessing we will see the gradual standardization around 5.56 with NATO equipment as stores of Russian surplus runs out if it hasn't already and Ukraine is relying on captured ammunition for it's AK platform weapons.
On another note I am surprised the US hasn't supplied 5.56 chambered AK's, habits die hard in soldiers and I'm sure many would like to have an AK made reliably in the caliber being supplied.
And the majority of weapons will use a small variety of ammo. Handguns will vary more widely, but then, handgun ammo will be much less in demand. The US army doesn't even issue handguns to infantry (with few exeptions).
No one in the US makes a good AK. Leave the NATO AKs to Poland and Bulgaria.
I say this as an American who owns two American-made AKs.
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While this was a nice gesture, would 101 random weapons bought off equally random Florida Men all at least share the same ammo? A gun’s just an awkward club without proper ammo.
The ones in the picture are likely a mix of 5.56 and 7.62 firearms. Both Ukraine would have in abundance
Heaps of 7.62 here. Not so many 5.56 or 9mm, you have to import it, AK74 uses incompatible Soviet 5.45 caliber.
Assault rifles are welcome, anything is better than standard-issue AK74, which combines excess weight with poor accuracy and awkward handling. Even smaller guns are fine, SMGs are pretty much the same 200 meter effective range as AK while being shorter. As long as you can find ammo for them.
Please send some grenade launchers and RPGs, they are immediately useful.
You can use the more random arms for non front line use. Even if you need to find an ammo you don't normally stock, a normal police office only carries a few mags on hand anyways.
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Real issue is actually going to be a (lack of) full auto. Sincerely doubt anything in these pics is an MG. Even if Ukraine fabricates automatic components (drop-in-auto-sears do exist for ARs), the barrels aren't going to hold up to automatic fire well.
They might be useful in a police/border guard/militia capacity, though?
I looked it up since I was curious too. They're going to a specific city for use by their local police.
They'll go directly to Miami’s newest sister city, Irpin, a war-torn area just outside the capital city of Kyiv, where dozens of civilians have been killed.
“Some would say we are stepping out of our bounds as a city to take this on,” said Miami City Commissioner Ken Russell. “This is for the average folks on the ground and the municipality employees, just like ourselves.”
Miami Police chief Manuel Morales is helping coordinate the effort and says the 167 guns will go to the city’s local police department.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/city-of-miami-to-send-guns-to-ukraine-city/2809291/
Are the Ukrainian grunts really using full auto that much? Does trench warfare make it useful in a way that urban and mobile warfare doesn't use? My understanding is that basically no one outside of designated machinegunners really use full auto.
Anyway, like you said, at the very least it'll free up other weapons for the front lines.
I've seen them use auto bursts plenty of times in combat footage. They need suppressing fire for dismounting their troop carriers and usually empty mags into trenches.
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The rifles are mostly 5.56 or 7.62. The handguns are mostly 9mm.
Depends, looks like the rifles here are AK and AR style, so they probably take 7.62mm (which I imagine is pretty common in Eastern Europe) and 5.56/.223 (which the US military is probably supplying them by the bucket), respectively. That said, the hand guns are probably a mix of .22, 9mm, and .45 among other random less common calibers
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Wait, Florida confiscates guns?
The handing out of guns makes sense, but taking away? Unheard of!
These guns apparently came from a buyback program. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/city-of-miami-to-send-guns-to-ukraine-city/2809291/
Glad they're going to good use, but man do buybacks sting when you see cool shit being turned over to pigs.
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They take away from arrestees. Not just guns, but a butt load of personal property actually. It’s an income stream for most PDs.
Usually from people of color.
Crazy that a bunch of privately owned firearms are useful in a warzone.
That's the point of the 2nd amendment. But technically civilians aren't allowed to own "military grade" weapons made after 1986.
There's a good few asterisks on this statement, but yeah basically lol.
There is a very long list of types of weaponry that individuals can’t own.
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Is this actually helpful here's a bunch of random guns of varying quality and caliber do they work don't know can you get the ammunition don't I get the pr there your problem now
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And a big ol' bag of bullets.
Because who doesn't want there ammunition stored in a bin liner?
The funny thing here is that Russian mobsters probably sold a few of those guns.
Oh, what's that? You think there are no Russian mobsters where you live? That's a hard maybe.
Also, there is no crime in Russia... since Russian mobsters work hand in hand with local and national police in Russia.
Just another reminder of how corrupt that federation is.
The funny thing here is that Russian mobsters probably sold a few of those guns.
From what I can see, all in the picture are semi auto guns that can be bought at any Academy or almost any Bass Pro Shops in the US.
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But I live in a rural English town where the most exciting thing that happens is the elderly folk fighting over who has control over the flowers near the rectory. Are you saying they are russian agents? For real?
Edit: and now you've edited your post, making mine seem like nonsense.
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Good enough for the later Echelons. There is a ton of logistic and support troops basically never needing to use their guns and they will be happy having a gun with two mags forever.
I'd like to think someone is running around in Ukraine with some drug lord's gold plated AK47
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