While this was a nice gesture, would 101 random weapons bought off equally random Florida Men all at least share the same ammo? A gun’s just an awkward club without proper ammo.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The ones in the picture are likely a mix of 5.56 and 7.62 firearms. Both Ukraine would have in abundance

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Heaps of 7.62 here. Not so many 5.56 or 9mm, you have to import it, AK74 uses incompatible Soviet 5.45 caliber.

Assault rifles are welcome, anything is better than standard-issue AK74, which combines excess weight with poor accuracy and awkward handling. Even smaller guns are fine, SMGs are pretty much the same 200 meter effective range as AK while being shorter. As long as you can find ammo for them.

Please send some grenade launchers and RPGs, they are immediately useful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You can use the more random arms for non front line use. Even if you need to find an ammo you don't normally stock, a normal police office only carries a few mags on hand anyways.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Please send some grenade launchers and RPGs, they are immediately useful.

I wish I had some spares but I have to hold on to everything I've got, sorry.

(For the non-americans and ATF agents out there, the joke is that we can't fucking get those. Don't come kill my dog, my dog is a cat anyway.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm surprised the Miami police don't have a bunch of confiscated RPGs it would seem like they would.

[–] jscummy 1 points 1 year ago

Gotta go to Chicago or Memphis for that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

please send some grande launchers and RPGs

Texan border malitias start sweating nervously

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Real issue is actually going to be a (lack of) full auto. Sincerely doubt anything in these pics is an MG. Even if Ukraine fabricates automatic components (drop-in-auto-sears do exist for ARs), the barrels aren't going to hold up to automatic fire well.

They might be useful in a police/border guard/militia capacity, though?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I looked it up since I was curious too. They're going to a specific city for use by their local police.

They'll go directly to Miami’s newest sister city, Irpin, a war-torn area just outside the capital city of Kyiv, where dozens of civilians have been killed.

“Some would say we are stepping out of our bounds as a city to take this on,” said Miami City Commissioner Ken Russell. “This is for the average folks on the ground and the municipality employees, just like ourselves.”

Miami Police chief Manuel Morales is helping coordinate the effort and says the 167 guns will go to the city’s local police department.

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/city-of-miami-to-send-guns-to-ukraine-city/2809291/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are the Ukrainian grunts really using full auto that much? Does trench warfare make it useful in a way that urban and mobile warfare doesn't use? My understanding is that basically no one outside of designated machinegunners really use full auto.

Anyway, like you said, at the very least it'll free up other weapons for the front lines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I've seen them use auto bursts plenty of times in combat footage. They need suppressing fire for dismounting their troop carriers and usually empty mags into trenches.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It might could work in a pinch, especially if they used the ARs as squad marksman rifles? I just doubt its the kind of compromise Ukraine wants to make for its front-line equipment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If the photo's anything to go by, it's probably mainly pistols. I don't think they're all 9mm

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The rifles are mostly 5.56 or 7.62. The handguns are mostly 9mm.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends, looks like the rifles here are AK and AR style, so they probably take 7.62mm (which I imagine is pretty common in Eastern Europe) and 5.56/.223 (which the US military is probably supplying them by the bucket), respectively. That said, the hand guns are probably a mix of .22, 9mm, and .45 among other random less common calibers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The 7.62x51 NATO round used in AR-10/LR-308 pattern rifles isn't the same as the common 7.62x39 used in AK-47 pattern rifles. But I'm sure getting NATO ammo isn't exactly hard for them right now.