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[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (2 children)

the united states has never bowed to international authority. ever.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They think they the authority.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I've heard before that a key hallmark of liberalism throughout history is exceptions to its own tenants while continuing to claim the moral high ground.

Seems to fit here quite nicely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Yes this is how sovereignty is maintained. This duality is why other members of the international community can refuse to follow ICC declarations one year and support the other years.

The United States doesn't release that control willingly. Others would have to make them if they feel it's that important.

Until someone can take that authority, they retain it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Don't they have plans to break out any US soldier about to stand trial in the ICC/Hauge?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Yes, part of George Bush Jr's administration put that in place

[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago (21 children)

You know Biden is not part of the House and the House is run by Republicans, right?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Biden denounces ICC for ‘outrageous’ implication of equivalence between Israel and Hamas

The Biden administration on Monday forcefully denounced efforts by the International Criminal Court to seek arrest warrants for top Israeli officials and Hamas leaders, saying the court’s efforts put the terrorist organization and a top US ally on equivalent footing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Denouncing is different from state sanctions. How biden has implicated that he opposes this bill according to the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm5512l7yero

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In the interest of learning, the ICC is not a state actor, so what exactly is the difference in this case?

EDIT: The sanction is actual travel and economic restrictions on members of the ICC. "Denounce" is the typical posturing. For those who care...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

OK, so replace his photo with any congressperson if you insist on being so pedantic.

The point is the absurdity of american government, which Biden as the president, is a symbol of.

When advantageous, most republicans would also claim that the US respects international law, then turn around and pass a vote like this.

EDIT: about a third of house dems supported the bill

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Well Mike Johnson would be most fitting as he is the speaker and decides which bills are up for a vote.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They probably don’t, but obfuscation gets more clicks when trolling for engagement.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago (7 children)

A bit disingenuous to put a picture of the head of the executive branch under a comment about a legislative body’s passed bill.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Definitely. Yet on brand for .ml

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

You do realize Biden has announced his support for denouncing the ICC for this very action by the House right? He absolutely should be held to account for it.

EDIT: Ok pedants, Sanction and 'denounce' are not the same - I get it. One has actual limitations preventing us from interacting with the people who don't even want to come here anyway.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

If you scroll up a bit, someone else was kind enough to post Biden's quote opposing this piece of legislation.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

“It’s clear Israel wants to do all it can to ensure civilian protection,” Biden said. “Let me be clear: What’s happening is not genocide.”

The article

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

In capitalist society, providing it develops under the most favorable conditions, we have a more or less complete democracy in the democratic republic. But this democracy is always hemmed in by the narrow limits set by capitalist exploitation and consequently always remains, in effect, a democracy for the minority, only for the propertied classes, only for the rich. Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in the ancient Greek republics: freedom for the slave owners.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The picture shows Biden but the text says House which is controlled by Republicans.

Very disingenuous. Not even the same branch of the government.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Double standard when it comes to their interest.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I thought that the USA never signed the ICC agreement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Yes in fact the US tried to thwart the creation of the ICC as much as they possibly could. The Israel question has been the biggest reason all along. But also they didn’t want Bush being prosecuted for invading Iraq.

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