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Part 2: https://mander.xyz/post/13598410
TwitterBoy showing his blatant ignorance against one of the people who literally invented modern machine learning.
Nothing shockingly unexpected from the very stable 10D chess master genius of course, but oh my, how embarrassing it must be for all the people working for him.
It's the same whenever he gets shown up.
"I'll save those schoolboys with my robot submarine!"
*submarine won't fit in cave*
*schoolboys are rescued by a diver*
"Pedo guy..."
I'm sure he can be forgiven for not knowing the name of a scientist whose work his employees build upon
The fact that he didn't believe them when they claimed to be a scientist though
I wonder if Elon chose a timeframe of 5 years because Yann LeCun won the Turing Award in 2018.
That gives him too much credit.
He's a dumbass. There's actually no rhyme or reason why he chose that specific number.
He isn't that smart.
The Internet as a whole seems a lot less interested in actually listening to anyone with credentials to back themselves up (Musk obviously included).
Literally, people will just "nuh-uh" a piece of fact for purely emotional personal reasons.
Maybe it's that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others, maybe we have created a social group that just assumes they are more educated than everyone else cause they read some stuff in the internet.
Maybe all the smarter people with credentials have done the smart thing and left the internet, cause if I hear one more person tell me I'm wrong and that people totally explode in the vacuum of space cause they watched a movie. (Someone even called me confidently incorrect after I provided the research paper I cited when working on decompression in a vacuum), I honestly will think humanity has no right to claim themselves master of any part of nature and I will praise the universe for wiping us out hopefully Armageddon style, with an asteroid with a bunch of oil drillers on it.
My theory is that as people get more success in life, they tend to get "busier". They have families, careers, hobbies they've invested time in, money to take travel vacations, etc. They just do more "stuff". This results in less time and interest towards getting into arguments with randos on the internet.
The internet is extremely accessible and economically inexpensive though, so almost everyone can get on here if they want, regardless of any personal degree of any sort of life proficiencies.
Together, these factors result in it being the mass of humanity with some of the cream skimmed off. So that's what we tend to see around us, the internet is the skim milk of humanity. Then to avoid all the watery garbage so prevalent everywhere, we further clump into more segmented communities where we can find more like-minded people to associate with, simply because that's more enjoyable.
This is one of the reasons I think it's important to actually put effort into interacting on here, to try to help prevent it from worsening before we can address some of the underlying technical problems it has introduced into our societies.
It was true before the internet too, there was just less opportunities to witness it because you didn't interact with thousands of strangers at once.
Well... Yeah that probably checks out. I have met an engineer who was sure 9/11 was planned demolition even though we literally sat and did the math to prove it was essentially a damaged free fall with no outer explosions... And a biologist major who believed in creationism...
People are full of bad takes in shocking hypocrisy. This is definitely just the more public long lasting version of all those.
These types of people really need to stop being a part of the problem by getting off Twitter.
I never really used Twitter, but I'd start using Mastodon, if only to get people to start using Mastodon?
Gently dropping this here: https://nathanlesage.github.io/academics-on-mastodon/
Honestly why do people even engage with this hack.
To attempt to wake up those people who think Elon is actually God's gift of mankind.
Elon is such a fucking tool
I think that he should have avoided the interaction with musk, if he planned to convince Musk of something.
If he planned to educate the general public, his approach is totally fine, though.
He did it for a two-fer. He educated the general public ...and handed eloin his ass.
I love how muskrat had to put "science" in quotes.
I’m just imagining Musk banning his account once he realizes how much he just embarrassed himself.
Followed by:
Lawyer: What brings you in today, Mr. LeCun?
LeCun: I got banned from Twitter.
Lawyer: But I’m a patent attorney.
LeCun: I know.
Beastie Boys “Sabotage” riff starts playing.
Why do people give that douche the time of day?
Because he owns a bunch of shit. That’s literally it. Nobody would give a single shit about him if he didn’t have money. I saw it put very eloquently like this:
Elon Musk is so poor that all he has is money.
his Twitter feed is full of things that would make you turn your head and act as it you don't hear anything if it came from a random person on the subway. the only difference between this guy and the "crazy people" you see outside is that this guy has money he doesn't deserve.
edit: i don't know why i said Twitter feed. this includes everything he says in interviews as well
Does 80 technical papers in 2.5 years seem kind of off to anyone else? That's more than a paper every 2 weeks. Is there really time for meaningful research if you're publishing that often? Is he advising a lot of students? If that's the case, is he providing the attention generally needed for each one? Is his field just super different than mine?
In acamedia you usually get your name on most papers where you help a bit. And if you're the boss, you get your name on papers without even helping but perhaps supplying space, material, budget.
I've been in academia. My field required a "significant intellectual contribution" to the research and the writing, so no putting your name on papers if you just supplied space/material/budget. You can get an acknowledgement for that, not an authorship credit.
And which reviewer or publishers verifies how "significant" a contribution is beyond seeing some initials matched with tags like "visualization" or "experimental design"? That's right, nobody. It's not even remotely traceable who did what if you're a reviewer.
Academia is full of fraud and people trying to secure their share of credit because in academia it's all about names, as the twitter exchange above illustrates so profoundly. And the other driver for the sad state of academia is of course having the quantity of published papers as the most important criterion for academic success. The more papers, the more citations, the bigger your name will become. It determines your chances of getting funding and therefore your career. If you want to make a career in science you have little options but to comply with this system.
Yes, thought the same but have a quick look at this: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=WLN3QrAAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate Seems about right? But yeah, must be advising lots of students or something. He is rarely the first, second or even third author on the papers.
Musk criticizing someone for not doing enough science is like my 9 year old criticizing me for not doing enough laundry. Except my 9 year old may have a point.
In the end, he's still in a Twitter slapfight with the biggest loser of the last decade.
We're all human.
In a way I'm both happy and sad I live in the time when places like twitter showed that for all to see.
What an asshole.
And I'm not talking about the scientist.
college grade troll (who tragically has billions)
Bro Elon got absolutely ratio’d there when the scientist shared their papers. Like less people saw it and double the amount of likes.
That is very surprising honestly.
What does you’re going soft, try harder even mean in this case? I think that’s a troll, right? Right? I mean, even one solid theory from a paper can change the course of an industry. How do people think things work? I feel dizzy reading this whole exchange
Anyone not knowing who LeCun has no idea about anything deep learning related.
I'll teach that evil billionaire a lesson by creating content on his platform! Boy, I sure showed him!
Unfortunately, without anyone of note calling him out on that platform, it turns into pure echo chamber cult activity. There are so, so many people that are like lemmings, that will just follow that flow without doing any personal reflection or critical thinking. It's healthy to have voices of dissent, even if it's indirectly helping/enabling someone that's cultivating mindlessness among the masses. Hell, just look at how his idiotic response has over 2 million "likes". Granted, I'm sure 70-80% of those are fake, but that's still a frightening number of people who support someone like him.
ConvNets
I like those. Those get shit done.
I think that this is the paper he's referring to: https://proceedings.neurips.cc/paper_files/paper/1989/hash/53c3bce66e43be4f209556518c2fcb54-Abstract.html
