Put. Him. In. A. Holding. Cell.
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So he's going to jail right? Held in jail until his next trial date, like what normally happens to people held in contempt?
Next time, we totally mean it this time!
Stop, or I'll say stop again!
I've written a strongly worded letter, don't make address this envelope!
This is a joke right?
The maximum fine in NY for this is $1,000 per infraction. If it continues, the judge could sentence jail time but the fine would remain the same.
So it's basically designed for rich people to be to ignore?
Sure is looking that way, isn't it?
The judge addressed that concern specifically and said that when $1k isn't sufficient to cow a contemnor, detention should be imposed.
This is key. If he jailed him right away, his attorneys would call for a mistrial saying the judge was biased against him and they would probably succeed in getting the trial thrown out. It would still go on with another judge, but when the tactic is delay, they win.
This is the first step towards jail for contempt. There can be no doubt Trump is maliciously violating the gag order.
That said, I have little doubt some 11th hour fuckery will happen to prevent him from being jailed.
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It's like handicap parking spots, it's basically just a super expensive reserved parking spot that every parking lot is legally required to have.
Yes.
Just like all the other laws.
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And the judge acknowledged that point in his statement. Pointed out that other types of violations allow the guilty party's wealth to be taken into account, but this charge doesn't. Also pointed out that ignoring this sentence and doing future violations are mush more likely to lead to jail time.
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Despite Trump's whining about everything being unfair to him, and the public saying this is a slap on the wrist, the judge is taking the legally appropriate and legally required steps.
Correct. Merchan is smart to stay by the book in order to prevent providing cause for Trump’s defense to claim mistrial. The prosecution recommended the maximum fine, which was honored. Merchan then set the grounds for possible jail time for future infractions.
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Yes and no.
The amount is insignificant in the monetary sense, but shows the court can actually enforce a gag order. Hopefully further violations result in far more significant contempt punishments such as throwing his ass in jail, but it is a start.
It’s not enforcement if he can pay it with pocket change, it’s just a slight annoyance. Enforcement would be taking his means of breaking the gag order away (his access to social media).
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FOR REALS this time, if you do it AGAIN, ~~there will be consequences~~ we'll tell you to stop again!
I know this is a popular thing to be angry about, but this time there was an actual fine. The consequences are being ratcheted up. The judge is just taking as much care as possible to make sure that all the "t"s are crossed and "i"s dotted along the way, otherwise he risks the whole trial being thrown out in the end. Look at some of the other high-profile "this rich guy's guilty as sin but got off anyway" cases, they often boil down to some screw-up that doesn't disprove the overall case but still invalidates the trial. Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby pop to mind.
A $9,000 fine is hardly a consequence for the rich.
Yes, but as I explained, the judge is proceeding by steps up the ladder of consequences. The next time Trump violates a gag order he can now say "I have demonstrated that fines are insufficient, and so I'm moving on to jail time."
The judge is limited - $1000 per violation is the maximum that can be imposed.
Sadly, it's a limitation of the legal system. The judge even admitted in his ruling on this that he acknowledges that the monetary punishment is inadequate considering Donald Trump's wealth and status. He threatened jail time for future incidents.
The point is that as much as any sane person wants to see Trump behind bars, if you just skip straight to locking him up, he will use that as grounds for a mistrial. I'd rather see justice done slowly, him given every warning and every opportunity to correct his bad behavior. Yes, it's not fair that he gets treated with kid gloves time and time again while a street level drug dealer would just get held without bond, say nothing of what would happen if they were to be charged with criminal contempt, but without going through the whole process Trump will just use the temporary incarceration to paint himself as a victim of political persecution and pivot it to his advantage when he inevitably appeals the guilty verdict.
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$1000 fine per incident? Can Trump wipe his diapers with a thousand dollar bill before giving it to the court? When will this asshat have real accountability?
Statutory maximum, he can't legally start with worse. He threatened jail for future contempt. And I hope he holds that promise!
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$9,000? Fucking seriously?
Unfortunately, that is probably the statute. It sucks that we don't scale up fines based on wealth.
In Sweden (I think), speeding tickets are based on how much money you have. A person making $50k a year will pay a lower speeding ticket compared to a billionaire going the same speed.
As they say if the punishment is a fine it's aimed at the poor.
And if a company does it, it is a business expense.
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@Bassman1805 @MicroWave New York law $1K per instance. I would guess this is a warning shot and if #djt keeps violating the gag order, we'll see #incarceration. #Merchan is being very careful and not giving any wiggle room for an appeal.
...for small change. This is not going to stop anything. It just gave his methods a (cheap) price tag.
It has to be reasonable and in line with practice. Trump is both like and unlike everyone else that's gone through that courtroom. You have to treat him with kid gloves, let him keep pulling on the rope, then hang him with FAFO consequences fully justified and above reproach.
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From what I have read, conditions of his release from the other trials include not committing ANY crime. Criminal contempt triggers this and Judge Chutkin is the most likely to jail him. Now...odds on that ACTUALLY happening...
That's an interesting thought. It will never happen, of course, but if she decides he violated the terms of his release she could remand him to jail until trial. If that happens, then all of the work Trump has done to delay his other trials until after the election would end up costing him big time.
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I'm sure he's shaking in his boots.
Mostly because he's a fat worthless fuckstain, not because he's scared of a 9,000 dollar fine.
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Not hush money. Election interference.
What a coincidence! I find him contemptible, too
Even if they not going to jail him they should at least sequester him with no outside contact.
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