And despite security recommendations, too many IT depts still force password resets every 90 days...
And people confronted with this change their password from "p@55w0rd!1" to "p@55w0rd@2". Yep extra-secure!
At some point most security recommendations are self-defeating.
I work in the IT section of a bank and they force a change every 30 days and can only have an 8 character password no more no less 🙃
Seems like a job for Bobby tables
Ideally we'd all use password managers, but I'm aware 99% of peoole don't. Even with one, it's frankly a pain in the butt to be nagged about changing it. "Man, my passwords are 20 random characters. I don't need yo reset ot unless you've had a breach."
A job I quit about 6mos ago required monthly changes. It was awful. And, yes, it absolutely led to me just incrementing a number at the end. I knew it was time to quit when I was about to hit double digit numbers.
you're saying not to hold a job for more than 10 months?
It was a joke.
But also, holding a shitty toxic job for 10mos took a mental health toll.
But also, I don't know, in some cases that might be good advice. Since 2020 I've changed jobs every 6-10mos and I'm making triple what I made in 2019, so that's nice.
@278 and going strong, across 7 companies. One time, just to mix things up, I used an exclamation mark instead. It was exhilerating. /s
Some IT guys have caught on to this and require 2 digits difference.
So "ThisJobSucks#11" becomes "ThisJobSucks#22"
How would they know how many digits changed? They don't store the password in cleartext.
Right?
...
{Sitename}+{SaLt}+{yymmdd of password change} easy peasy
I college we had to change our password every semester. Guess who added the semester number onto the end of their password. Hint: everyone.
Same as a government job that required monthly password changes. Well, at least those people had more security than the post-it note on the monitor people
Hey, how do you know my password?
The worst is when you have a bunch of independent systems that all have their own login info, all configured by the dame IT department, all with different forced reset timers.
And despite security recommendations, too many IT depts still force password resets every 90 days...
It could be for contractual or for insurance reasons. We have some contracts with government agencies that require it, and our cyberinsurance also does. Even though NIST has been recommending for years to do long passphrase + MFA and no reset unless you suspect compromise.
So yeah, the reason behind this might not be just plain incompetence.
Who still isn't using a password manager?
The most infuriating part is when this happens while using a password from a password manager
The fact this happens is infuriating. 😣
Then you finally do the password change, go to login and now the new password doesn't work because you copied it to clipboard and overwrote it somehow in that small time frame goddamn shit! I always win+r and put it there until I know everything is all good.
What if I were to tell you my password manager password is the most vulnerable of all?
Nobody would guess it's hunter2.
I only see ******* when you type hunter2
Thank God!
You should really upgrade to hunter3
But how did you see it? I used the spoiler tag
/s
Mine is bigboipassword123. Can't dictionary attack it cuz boi isn't in the dictionary.
P455w3rd
I promise you that does not help.
I suspect a large number of these incidents are due to the password field in the login page allowing fewer characters than the field in the sign up page, so the password gets truncated. A couple of help desk meat shields have confirmed that for me, but mostly I think this because it seems to fix itself if I use a shorter password.
How short, you ask? Who tf knows! They sure as shit won't tell you! Just spend the next 20 minutes trying shit til it works, because you have nothing better to do with your time!
My company doesn't tell you what the AD policy is for changing your domain logon password but windows will just tell you that it doesn't meet the policy. What IS the password policy you ask?
Well it's uh... 🤷♂️
Try again!
I am annoyed on your behalf.
I've had goons tell me they can't tell me the character max because of "security"
My parents. All written down on paper in handy notebooks for anyone that breaks in. Two entire lives and everything in them just there for the taking.
If I recall, a few (most) security experts now support written-on-paper passwords. Why? Because it is the solution for users who would otherwise commit far a more egregious security faux pas otherwise.
In most circumstances, it is easier to keep the notebook secure than your wallet, your car, etc. And let's be honest, the list of suspects are REALLY short if someone breaks into your house, opens the third drawer, grabs the notebook and runs. And if it's more than that and somebody ransacks your entire house, I guarantee having to change your passwords is the least of your headaches.
Ultimately, physical compromise is the lowest possible security risk for most people throughout their lives. Yes, it happens. Yes, it sucks. But having your bank password out in the wild with nobody realizing it is possibly far more dangerous.
Why am I in this picture?
If it helps, I think we’re all in this picture at some point lol.
C00kies!
6 months later: C00kies?
6 months later: C00kies!
6 months later: C00kies?
This is how it's done.
Or use a fucking password manager like Bitwarden or Keepass
I won't say where I work but we have strict password requirements including that they have to be exactly 8 characters long.
Yeah our passwords aren't very secure as we also have to change them every 90 days and if you miss the window by 3 days you have to call the IT desk to reset it which takes about 45 minutes to an hour. And in that time you basically can't get anything done.
At home I use a password manager and all my passwords are randomly generated and whenever possible 2fa is enabled.
Personally I would use a password manager for at work as well. Bitwarden can generate 8 character passwords. Easy enough to remember and if you forget it's right there on your phone.
Not sure if you're in the US. But if you are, you should leave this anonymously on the security team's desks.
> Verifiers SHOULD NOT require memorized secrets to be changed arbitrarily (e.g., periodically). However, verifiers SHALL force a change if there is evidence of compromise of the authenticator. - NIST control SP 800-63B Section 5.1.1.2
Basically a fairly widespread standard of security. All kinda of complaince you can fall out of if you do business with anyone who cares about NIST controls.
Brb stealing your cookies.
And that’s why I generate my passwords randomly.
Thank you Bitwarden.
So do I. This still happens.
Ahh, so you all also shop at target online, eh?
I'm guessing this is american target and not Australian target
