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Good read, gives me a lot of hope for this project.

I look forward to an exciting future with all of you.

(Also- hopefully this wasn't posted already)

https://join-lemmy.org/news/2023-06-17_-_Update_from_Lemmy_after_the_Reddit_blackout

This was written by the Lemmy devs.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Holy smokes, growing 25 times larger in 2 weeks. Keep up the good work! I just need a good mobile app for iOS, beta is full according to test flight lol.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its absolutely growing massively, I don't think the DEVs could have expected this level of growth.

https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Yeah, this has been one of those black swan events. Nobody could have predicted Reddit would shoot themselves so vigorously in the feet like this.

Well, nobody could have predicted when or how Reddit would shoot themselves so vigorously in the feet. I think a lot of folks have been expecting them to do it eventually.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair , that’s Reddit’s achievement.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'd say it's an achievement that it survived the chaos and hasn't yet buckled under the traffic or the chaos of managing the influx of users that probably don't even bother reading rules.

I mean, this place was absolutely not prepared for this, and it definitely has a ways to go yet, but it's come out a week later in a much healthier place than I expected.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I joined the TestFlight for Memmy today

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I'm pledging $5/month each to mastodon.world and the lemmy devs. I recently quit drinking, so this is a drop in the bucket compared to what I used to spend monthly on alcohol.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Congrats man sounds like a really positive change πŸ˜ŠπŸ‘

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (84 children)

It seems to have become a habit that most good things about the internet is linked to the EU. I'm really grateful. That being said, I hope that Lemmy can become a collaborative project uniting a lot of devs rather than rely on two people.

About the scandal; as long as their opinions do not influence the platform I don't see them as relevant to Lemmy. If they are illegal, let justice do its work.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've never subscribed to any of these things, due to multiple reasons like being broke, because I knew I'd never remember to cancel it if I quit using the service, hating subscriptions, realizing most of these collapse almost as fast as they skyrocket, among many other reasons. I know I'm a pessimist.

But it's time to put my money where my mouth is, even if I just want a Reddit alternative. I'm old and grumpy enough to be sick of companies using people the way they do, and since I can't code, I can pay.

If you've read this far, I implore you to really sit down and think about what this project means to you, what it could mean to you, and what it's worth to you. Everyone does the whole coffee analogy - give up coffee for a day and you can support X. But as a Reddit refugee, I think that if I was willing to give Reddit a couple bucks a month to an app for their API access, why on earth wouldn't I do the same here (even before all of Reddit's recent BS)?

You can either pay or be the product being sold.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

I’ve never paid Reddit a dime but I’m going to signup for at least whatever gold costs. Fuck spez.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

And to those of you who are developers, consider submitting some PRs! I'm certainly gonna take a look at the code

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Hopefully this defuses the "lemmy is a tankie network" rumour once and for all

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I couldn't care less if they are actually tankies, just keep developing the code and don't try to inject malware (well it's open source they can't lol), believe whatever you wanna believe, I don't care.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Well of course they aren't genocide deniers. You can't deny something that never happened. Also note that they did not deny being Tankies - they denied being Fascists. Tankies don't recognize themselves as Fascists and will vehemently deny that they are. Here's another phrase for Tankie for the uninformed: Red Fascist

Here is one of the Lemmy devs denying that the Uyghur genocide in China is happening:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq954mu/

The Uyghur genocide is as real as white genocide. - Source

Here they are again denying it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq951cv/

The holocaust was a genocide that actually happened, with all the evidence that goes along with it. There is no Uyghur genocide.

Do you believe in anything as soon as the word "genocide" gets attached to it? What about "white genocide"? Are you a white genocide denier? - Source

And just so nobody can deny that parentis_shotgun is a Lemmy dev: - "I'm one of the devs of Lemmy"

Direct links to the posts will not work but still exist on the user's profile page: https://old.reddit.com/user/parentis_shotgun/ - hold PgDn until comments stop loading then Control+F. In fact feel free to peruse their history in general - it's quite interesting.

One of my favorite posts is their defense of the government of North Korea in /r/AskTankies: https://old.reddit.com/r/asktankies/comments/tb1836/okay_but_dprk_seriously/i04d1wu/

Now ask yourself why would someone who is not a Red Fascist Tankie piece of shit be answering questions on behalf of Tankies in /r/AskTankies while defending a totalitarian regime? Is it... perhaps because they're in support of such a regime because they are in fact a Tankie piece of shit?

They also lied about the "single user on Mastadon not providing sources". They did provide sources. The source were things said straight out of the dev's mouth.

Let's play a game of spot the difference between fascists (nazis) and fascists (tankies).

Nazis: Fascists who are directly responsible for the deaths of an estimated 12,000,000 people. Deny a genocide ever took place despite evidence to the contrary (Holocaust). Antisemites who forced minority ethnic groups to work in forced concentration and labor camps and starved them to death. These concentration camps began in 1933 and ended in 1945 lasting for a period of 12~ years. Had a secret police known as the Geheime Staatspolizei (Gestapo) whose job it was largely to suppress political opposition by any means necessary including execution of dissenters and spy on behalf of the Nazi party. Torture and execution were common - including that of women and children.

Tankies: Fascists who are directly responsible for the deaths an estimated 26,000,000 people. Deny multiple different genocides ever took place despite evidence to the contrary (Holodomor being the most well known). Antisemites who forced minority ethnic groups to work in forced concentration and labor camps and starved them to death. This Gulag network of death prisons began in 1919 and only ended after Stalin's death in 1953 lasting for a period of 34~ years. Had a secret police known as the Π§Π΅ΠΊΠ° (Cheka) whose job it was to suppress political opposition by any means necessary including execution of dissenters and spy on behalf of the State. Torture and execution were common - including that of women and children.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A tankie is not a fascist. He denied being a genocidal fascist.

I've seen a lot of pro-China propaganda coming from Lemmy and I suspect tankie is still on the table.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Another phrase for Tankie ideology is Red Fascism.

I'd specifically like to highlight that someone who was imprisoned in a Nazi concentration camp - so has firsthand experience with a fascist regime - described the Soviets as the following, emphasis mine:

Kurt Schumacher, who was imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps, but survived WWII to become the first post-war SPD opposition leader in West Germany, described pro-Soviet communists as "red-painted fascists" or "red-lacquered Nazis"

So in what ways exactly is a tankie not a fascist?

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

that exalts nation

"We did not hesitate to shoot thousands of people, and we shall not hesitate, and we shall save the country." - Vladimir Lenin

often race

https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor

that stands for a centralized autocratic government

The State

headed by a dictatorial leader

Lenin;Stalin

severe economic and social regimentation

Five year plan

forcible suppression of opposition

Cheka secret police.

If Tankies are not fascists - then neither were Nazi's.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm old and out of the loop but that astroturfing was so blatantly obvious it pinged my BS meter immediately.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What astroturfing? The tanky astroturfing or astroturfing about the place being tanky?

Because before the influx, Lemmy.ml was absolutely tanky. It's just been completely drowned out by the flood, so it barely matters anymore.

Like, this entire platform has arguably gone through one of the most dramatic changes in a week in the history of the internet. What was here before is almost irrelevant now. What the devs believe is also irrelevant because it's open source and decentralized. Literally the whole point of this is to not be beholden to them.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

This was a very well written statement and gives me a lot of hope for the future of the platform. I’ll be more than happy to invest my time and effort into it.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just want to say I'm fairly vocal about bugs/issues/confusing things. But I totally understand lemmy wasn't prepared for tens of thousands of new users overnight, it was just so sudden and unexpected. So even if me and other users sound grumpy just know that at least this one is aware it's going to be a bumpy ride for a while as the internet adjusts to this massive upheaval.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pledged on their $5/month tier on their Patreon page now. That's the least I can do given what I understand they're going through right now. :D

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

How many people were turned away by the whole tankie thing I wonder..hmmm

Imagine hearing some vague bs and making a distinct and principaled opinion about an entire universe of information.

Even if they are some flavor of doo doo, we take it, and make it what we want. I just don't see the point in outright noping. At least in this instance.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

I'm not down to subscribe ongoing (because I definitely will forget and think some fraud popped up), but I made a one time donation, and will likely make additional donations in the coming months and weeks. I'd love for this platform to thrive and have no qualms throwing up a few bucks for that here and there.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm going to donate to these guys. It's the least we can do considering how busy they have been since the reddit uprising.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Dang these guys are so committed and it's definitely understandable what they've just gone through. It's definitely up to the community to help out wherever possible as that's kinda what the fediverse is all about

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

I hope we see more donations. I for one will for sure make a few over time

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The rumors actually got to me. I've still been using it but wondering when that would be mentioned by the creators. Glad to see it's false

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It doesnt even matter if its true, if a non fascist/tankie made the same code, none of you would be complaining. Why should anything be different just because the devs happen to be a fascist/tankie/ whatever they believe in. They cant control what each instance does once they publish the code. The code is public now and its free for anyone to use. They can't censor what we say in instances that they don't control. I mean try it now, you can flip them off right here, right now and they can't do anything about it, they don't run lemmy.world. Only the owners of lemmy.world can do something about it.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'd never seen any of the rumors, went to lemmy.ml for the first time (thinking I might join) and one of the top threads was a complaint that a post with anti-CCP analysis had been taken down by the admins and within 5 minutes of further research I was able to verify that, yes, the admins/devs are tankies. It's definitely not false.

So I backed out and switched to kbin.

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