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[–] Grass 68 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's totally so they can list a really low "starting at" price and then upsell marked up parts in the configurator.

Disclaimer: I didn't read the article and just came in to shit on scummy business practices that I made assumptions about.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Your assumption is based and factual

[–] gravitas_deficiency 68 points 7 months ago (8 children)

8 is fine for a tablet.

8 is not fine for a brand-fucking new state of the art laptop.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"With an apple silicon architecture, 8gb is like 16gb" -some stupid apple flunkey

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The irony is that it's arguably the opposite, since the GPU and CPU just have a shared memory pool, rather than having dedicated memory and the shared memory pool.

So if you're watching a 4k video, you might have lost a gigabyte or two just for VRAM.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's because they think that people only do one thing at a time.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

New feature turns off the screen to flush graphics memory so the cpu can process data.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

It's not even enough for a tablet and apple know it, which is why the iPad Pro has 16GB of RAM

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 7 months ago (31 children)

But but the memory is more efficient, 8 is actually 16!

LMAOOOOOOO 🤡

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (13 children)

To be fair I had an 8Gb M1 Mac mini for about a year and never even once felt like it was lacking memory. I could open as many things as I wanted and it didn’t slow down, so I can kinda see where they were going with this. Not saying it makes that situation much better though.

I think the current base iPhones with 4Gb or 6Gb suffer way more from lack of memory than the 8Gb Macs, and people aren’t taking about this enough.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (8 children)

I needed a cheap laptop for audio, so i decided to pick up a second hand m1 air a couple months ago.

It is honestly pretty impressive for the price, I generally don't have issues either. Everything is snappy, and it handles multitasking fine. Its even faster than my $2000+ PC at several things, which frustrates me greatly.

However... When running ableton live (or presumably anything that involves heavy image, video, or audio editing), 8gb of ram is honestly not enough. If you push it too hard, it hangs for a second, then the offending app will just close.

Also there is a weird delay in factorio, absolutely unacceptable.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

8GB of RAM is perfectly usable for basic things, but on a new computer, with that price, non-upgradable... ech...

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (19 children)

my 3 year old phone has more RAM than that

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Zero reason why any modern computer should be less then 16gb

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Honestly we're kinda edging up to the point where I think 32gb of ram should be the minimum, especially for heavy use cases like games and production jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (3 children)

this is a trap to upsell you 16 GB or sell you upgrade

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

> most powerful chip available in a laptop and arguably one of the greatest overall laptops ever

> 8 gb ram

my phone has 12 GB of ram what the fuck is apple on

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's a strategy to push customers toward the more expensive models. Their markup is massive, it's a blatant profit move.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

And, since the ram is soldered to the fucking mobo, you can't upgrade it yourself. It's a ridiculous and craven strategy for a company already nickel and diming their customers.

but the cultists still love them.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 7 months ago (12 children)

They'll continue selling these, purely because of two reasons:

  • On an Air, 8gb is the bare minimum that is realistically viable, for people who don't do anything than browse the web, who they can later upsell, when they get a new machine.
  • They can immediately upsell you for every extra memory tier you would need. This makes them a colossal amount of money.

Practically all of us know that the difference between these memory modules is pocket change, when mass produced like this, but for those extra couple cents, they get an extra 100$ from you

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

On an Air, 8gb is the bare minimum that is realistically viable, for people who don’t do anything than browse the web

Thanks to the modern web, web browsing of one of the most RAM intensive tasks. Add a few Electron based apps and you're in hell.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Practically all of us know that the difference between these memory modules is pocket change, when mass produced like this, but for those extra couple cents, they get an extra 100$ from you

This is called capturing consumer surplus through segmentation. There's a pretty good explanation of it here.

The long and short of it is that some people are just perfectly fine spending more money on a macbook, and apple wants to give them a good enough excuse to do so.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (3 children)

My 6 year old CHROMEBOOK has 16gb...

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My 13 year old MB has 16GB.

It came with 8GB and at some point I spent $50 or so to add another 8GB.

You know, back when upgrading Macs was a thing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok Gramps, we need to get you to bed now

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Such a weird hill to die on for Apple. How much does it really cost to just add 8GB more RAM? $5?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

This is just like the iPhone (lack of) storage and the (lack of) SD cards. Apple is trying to maximize profits by using less RAM and by forcing people into buying more hardware in a few years. Apple does a lot of stuff very well but then they also pull this crap.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (10 children)

My mid-range smartphone from 2022 has 8gb of ram. I paid $250 for it brand new.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And I'm here contemplating upgrading to 32 GB...

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 17 points 7 months ago

Yup. My MacBook Pro for work has 16GB and I keep running out of RAM. I can't fathom being limited to 8GB...

I guess it works for basic browsing and whatnot, but for any kind of professional work, you're going to have a bad time.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I built a gaming PC for the first time since ~20 years ago. Decided to dump 64gb into it for no good reason other than ram is cheap and I figured I might as well.

8gb...jeebus.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I daily drove a laptop with 8gb of RAM less than a year ago. Works just fine for most tasks. Granted, at Apples typical price point, I'd want more than that, but it is far from unusable. Running VMs wasn't fun though.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Me, with my PC that has 32 gb of ram: 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (8 children)

The 8gb ram MacBook works great for your average Mac user. The person who uses it for writing resumes and surfing YouTube which I'm sure is a huge chunk of the market. Devs/Gamers/power users can't make do with 8gb, but my sister in law who just does paper work and teams meetings all day is served well by her 2016 laptop, and wouldn't have any issue with an 8gb MacBook.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Except it's cost 3x more than average 8GB ram laptops

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Given how terrible Teams performes, I'd dread to have merely 8GB to run it on.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Apple has their niche, but you'll never find me owning a Mac. They are not useful for me. And fuck the proprietary nature of Apple in general.

That being said, I run 64GB of RAM and it's glorious!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure my phone has 8GB of RAM. Apple should probably rethink this.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Less is more, removing features is a innovation - apple

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

The reality distortion field is collapsing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I like Apple. Got Apple Watch, AirPods Pro and iPhone. I love the design of MacBooks however I refuse to ever buy MacBooks.

Overpriced like crazy. For half of the price you can get a really great laptop.

I’m honestly even thinking to buy a €200 android device to get used to the system.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I’m honestly even thinking to buy a €200 android device to get used to the system.

Don't. Unless it's a slightly older Pixel A-series 2nd hand phone. Manufacturers of cheap Android phones skimp on everything and add bullshit crapware. Shit like that is the cause of many "Android sucks" comments.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I’m honestly even thinking to buy a €200 android device to get used to the system.

Don't do that, I can tell you from experience: Most of them suck, especially cheap Chinese ones.

The Google Pixel 7a is currently $350 and it will get cheaper when the 8a comes out. The 7a will get security updates until May 2028. If you want to get into mobile device privacy/security, a Pixel is an excellent choice. You can install an alternative operating system called GrapheneOS, it's a much more private and secure, improved version of Android. It doesn't include Google spyware and thus also improves battery life. It also extends your feature updates, by default the 7a would only get feature updates until 2026, but GrapheneOS provides Android feature updates as long as the device gets security updates. That would mean 2 additional years of Android feature updates. I highly recommend it!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

It's weird how you draw the line at MacBooks for being overpriced, considering every other apple device you name dropped is equally overpriced.

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