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NTSB: Boeing "unable to find the records documenting" repair work on 737 Max 9.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 5 months ago

I'll take "Obvious Cover-ups" for $500, Alex.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Who had “Boeing leverages their too-big-to-fail status to cover up gross negligence and murder” on their worst timeline bingo card?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Goddamnit! I had Lockheed for murder and Raytheon for gross negligence

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You should have had those the other way around anyway, since Raytheon does a lot of the US missile work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

That’s why it wouldn’t be a scandal for them

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's not like I thought Boeing were one of the "good guys," but this is all blowing my mind.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Pretty terrifying Doc on NF about Boeing called Downfall: The Case Against Boeing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

We could eliminate 90% of air travel if business people could use zoom and email.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So if you don't have any records then you can't prove it was done properly and the assumption should be on the fault of Boeing.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's not their way, you must respect local culture.

The way over there is to give big moneys to Boeing, in this case 'for quality assurance', but pretend to forget to attach meaningful strings. Then Boeing must use all of that money for stock buybacks, as custom dictates. Anything other than that would be considered impolite. As a further sign of respect and gratitude Boeing can also fire a few % of their workforce.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

As is tradition.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 5 months ago

Boeing murdered the whistleblower!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's why they had to kill the whistle blower, he knew where the video was

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

He was in the middle of the testimony when he died. That is a more likely reason.

He quit Boeing long before the accident aircraft was built and delivered to the airline, let alone repaired.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago

Obviously he was saving the really damning info for after they suicided him.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Woopsie!

South Park “we’re sorry” image goes here

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

When does the FAA start grounding 737's or all Boeing planes?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I can’t speak for their specific regulations, but setting that data retention to only 24 hours because you don’t want to have evidence of culpability stored for a long time is a good way to go.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

As someone who works in aircraft maintenance, I am actually shocked by this. Forget the video footage, that’s just a cheap-assed commercial camera somewhere in the rafters. But the paperwork?

As a repair station, we have to document every single step of every single task. If a mechanic does it, he signs that he has done it and an inspector checks and countersigns that he has done it correctly. For a single aircraft input, this is upwards of 50,000 signed task steps. We have to hand all that data to the customer when it is complete, and also keep it for a minimum of 7 years for most stuff, some things in perpetuity.

If Boeing couldn’t provide the exact names and dates involved within a 5 minute search, then someone has already found it and destroyed it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Boeing is collapsing from internal rot, really sad to see

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, no, no - its their planes that do that.

The company is considered successful only by this one metric apparently:

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, Boeing does suck compared to the market in their one metric, too Their stock is basically moving sideways since the extreme low at the start of the pandemic and the stock is basically going down since the 737 MAX grounding in March 2019. Boeing is in crisis mode for 5 years now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Yes, this is true.

But full on crisis management, faulty products, and a major new problem and/or incident every year would make you think its not 100 billion company anymore.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

And they'll get away with it because they've got a serious amount of lobbying power.

[–] JohnDClay 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

CCTV cameras have a surprisingly short recording time before they record over themselves. With cheap disk storage, you'd think they could record for weeks and weeks before overwriting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

For large corporations, keeping recordings for a long period is common.

I was at Sprint retail back in 2010 when information was leaked by a coworker at my retail store. The internal security team that came to the store less than a week after the leak, had recordings from the cameras 6 months prior that they were referencing when talking to all of us.

A small business may only be keeping camera recordings for maybe a month on a local DVR, but a corporation with their own data centers are going to keep those a lot longer. ESPECIALLY a government contractor where the logging requirements are much more stringent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

There is even a line of hard drives specifically made cheap and dense for security footage.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I will never fly again. Never. Fuck flying. We were never meant to be in the air, comment if you are with me!

[–] meat_popsicle 4 points 5 months ago

Just fly Airbus. Or Embraer. Or Bombardier. It’s still safer than driving by far.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Dealing with airports and flying is a miserable experience but is unfortunately the best way overall to travel overseas/very long distances (obviously highly dependent on where in the world you are located/where you are traveling to). I avoid flying except for maybe a trip every five years where there really isn't another viable alternative. High ticket costs, crowded aitports, TSA, all the waiting with delays in boarding, taxi'ing, de-boarding etc. really just make the juice not worth the squeeze for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I fully agree with you, you should not fly, since that means there will be one less person to deal with in the airport / on the plane.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Aye, I'm taking my next weekend trip from NY to Cali via car. Or by boat the kmking way around. Fuck planes!