Sininenn at 2024-03-08 20:58:14+00:00 ID: ktz1dl8
Women in Denmark have more rights and protections enshrined in the law, as well as less legal obligations than men do.
Women are literally privileged in Denmark, when compared to men.
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bosko43buha (OP) at 2024-03-08 22:00:35+00:00 ID: ktzcb6e
In what way do you think they're priviledged? I'm not too familiar with this topic when it comes to Denmark.
LankyTumbleweeds at 2024-03-08 23:20:43+00:00 ID: ktzph1l
He explained that part. Legally speaking, women have more rights and protection, and less obligation towards the state, compared to men - in Denmark atleast.
This is of course only on paper, as we have a long way to come in regards to culture, which goes for the entire globe.
bosko43buha (OP) at 2024-03-08 23:45:30+00:00 ID: ktzt8yw
No, I got that part, but I am not familiar with those rights, protection and obligation - what exactly is different for women?
LankyTumbleweeds at 2024-03-09 05:52:15+00:00 ID: ku17o1s
Someone else answered with most of it. Especially the part about less protection and services for men in violent relationship and other social issues, is a systemic problem. Women have more bodily freedom (legally speaking) etc.
I don’t personally consider women having actually achieved equality, other than on paper. But it’s a talking point that can be hard to counter, because it’s a simple fact. However, equal rights =/= equality.
Sininenn at 2024-03-09 02:52:05+00:00 ID: ku0kokz
Protections from genital mutilation are only afforded to women and girls. Conscription, and military service is only required of men.
Up until recently, men had no rights to equal protections and services in case of being a victim of domestic violence, and even now, it's hard to say how the changes made will be implemented.
As for other things - women have better health outcomes, live longer, healthier, happier lives than men do.
liquid-handsoap at 2024-03-08 13:59:56+00:00 ID: ktwzt2n
In short it’s good but it could be better.
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-08 15:51:01+00:00 ID: ktxhztc
I disagree, i would say women have equal rights to men i Denmark, but since you say it could be better, Im curious, which rights do men have, which a woman does not have?
liquid-handsoap at 2024-03-08 15:52:30+00:00 ID: ktxi9is
Username checks out
liquid-handsoap at 2024-03-08 17:26:03+00:00 ID: ktxz3tn
...Equal pay would be a perfect place to start. ...Free abortion (and no, we don't have free abortion) ...That women of childbearing age had as easy a time getting hired as everyone else. ...Fewer women being killed (by men) ...Fewer women being subjected to violence and sexual assaults (by men) ...Equal distribution of women and men in positions of power.
...and there are many other things on the list.
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-08 17:29:01+00:00 ID: ktxznaf
Equal rights is not the same as equal outcome.
All thoose things u listed is the equallity of outcome, not the lack of equal rights, so imma try again, what rights do a man have in Denmark, which a woman does not?
WINNER1212 at 2024-03-09 01:45:48+00:00 ID: ku0b3gf
If we had equal rights/upbringing/society there would be equality of outcome (roughly). There is a difference in having equal rights and having equal opportunities. Just because women have the right to be sterilised doesn't mean that they have that opportunity in practice. Many doctors won't perform this type of surgery because "what if the woman finds a man who wants kids". And I don't think I need to explain how that is sexist.
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-09 06:22:21+00:00 ID: ku1aukq
if we had equal rights/upbringing/society there would be equality of outcome.
There isnt equal of outcome between men not even twins, why do u Think there would be equal outcome between sexes when we all are so different, thats just stupid.
It is still possible for a woman to get sterilized, the process is a little longer, but they do have the right.
So come on, give me a right a man have which a women does not here in Denmark.
WINNER1212 at 2024-03-09 08:24:37+00:00 ID: ku1mjsl
Many women can't be sterilised because her future man apparently gets a say.
And of course there is a difference between 2 people, but if you look at the grand picture equal opportunity would bring equality of outcomes because your gender doesn't affect your ability, since they are social constructs.
The idea that equal opportunity wouldn't bring equal outcome, is sexist and right wing propaganda, designed to divide and conquer. It's us Vs them mentality.
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-09 08:35:39+00:00 ID: ku1njbu
many women can’t ve sterilised because her future man apparently gets a say.
Not true, every woman over 18, who lives in Denmark, has the right to be sterilized.
Equal of opportunity will NEVER EVER bring equal outcome, because the sexes are so different. Women has the same opportunity to be brick layers, oil rig workers etc yet less than 1% decide to do so, our bodies are build different so no matter what you do, u won’t get a 50/50 in every field.
And equal outcome is NOT the same as equal rights, so tell me again what rights does a man have which a woman does not!
WINNER1212 at 2024-03-09 08:40:26+00:00 ID: ku1nylk
You really don't listen. yes they have the right. But in practice doctors refuse to uphold that right. Get it through your thick skull. We also have a right to be safe from rape and violence but women and men are still victims of that.
"Actually they have the right"☝️🤓
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-09 08:45:28+00:00 ID: ku1oet0
Prove it? Tho yet again not a right/opportunity but an outcome. Because they do indeed have the right.
we also have the right to be safe from rape and violence but women and men are still Victims of that.
Sadly yes, but yet again you come with outcomes. which Im not asking for, Im asking for rights.
I am Well aware that we do not have equal outcome, which wont ever happend and would be stupid to seek, because the only Way to achive equal outcome is by Force and not freedom, u wont get 50/50 nurses without Force, nor doctors, laywers, mechanics etc etc…
StalinsLeftTesticle_ at 2024-03-09 11:56:03+00:00 ID: ku25gz2
My man really just went down the dialogue tree without addressing the answer at all lol
Actual NPC shit
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-09 12:08:29+00:00 ID: ku26pop
These equal rights debates, have plenty of those it seems smh.
StalinsLeftTesticle_ at 2024-03-09 12:11:18+00:00 ID: ku2702u
You're just screeching the same tired old nonsense about "equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome", failing to understand that what you describe as "men and women want different things" is not a result of any sort of inherent biological drive, but existing patriarchal systems that nudge men and women on to certain career paths.
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-09 12:15:27+00:00 ID: ku27fqh
Do u think if we just treat a women and men 100% the same, the outcome would be equal, out of the blue we will suddenly see a equal outcome in highly physical work like oil rigs, mining, brick layers etc?
Equal opportunity and equal outcome is most certainly not the same, and it is impossible to achieve both simultaneously.
StalinsLeftTesticle_ at 2024-03-09 12:18:08+00:00 ID: ku27psm
No, it won't happen out of the blue, it's a long process.
Also the jobs you mentioned make up less than 1% of the jobs, the overwhelming majority of jobs are not particularly physically demanding, and even the ones you mentioned should not be so physically demanding that women wouldn't be able to do them.
Also, come on, I've seen brick layers, most of them aren't exactly in good physical shape lol
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-03-09 12:21:45+00:00 ID: ku283t8
Doesn’t matter if they make up Less than 1%, if you want equal outcome, it should be everywhere, and I think physical skilled work makes up more than 1%.
A long process u say, so women wil get more bone density and muscles to be able to do that work equal to men, if we just treat them the same? Interesting, any evidence to back that up?
proevligeathoerher at 2024-03-08 13:57:17+00:00 ID: ktwzeyj
It's a bit of a loaded question, which can be difficult to answer in reddit comment, but I think I'd boil my expierences down to: it's always there, but the amount depends on which areas of scoeity you move in.
bosko43buha (OP) at 2024-03-08 14:04:24+00:00 ID: ktx0guu
I didn't aim to make it a loaded question, I was interested to learn about how women see their equality in everday life - similar to the article I've mentioned.
Obviously, situations like that can happen no matter what and it's got more to do with individuals, rather than an entire society.
The example I mentioned for Croatia (and my wife), women often get laid off when pregnant, unless they have a permanent contract. And even then, people are generally unhappy cause they are missing from work (even though a temp can potentialy be hired). That's something I'd consider societal in this case.
LilanKahn at 2024-03-08 14:11:26+00:00 ID: ktx1iyj
The example I mentioned for Croatia (and my wife), women often get laid off when pregnant, unless they have a permanent contract.
Wont happen in Denmark, as the wrongful termination payment would come faster than you can scream lawyer.
proevligeathoerher at 2024-03-08 14:14:34+00:00 ID: ktx205h
I think in Denmark we have a lot of structual protection like laws, unions and so on, which protects us from a large amount of the sexism women in other places expierence. I'm currently pregnant, and while my job is in the private sector and isn't unionised, I do not fear being fired because of being pregnant, because that simply isn't allowed and my company would be in huge trouble if they did.
Instead, in my experience, the sexism I've personally expierenced is more on the individual level. Meaning people (professors at university, family members, strangers, partners, and so on) who treated me differently because of my gender. Be it with a comment (like my university professor commenting on how he was surpised a 'girl knew so much about politics' after I'd written a paper on Brexit), or extended family members expecting me to help out with cleaning, cooking and childrearing at family gatherings while my male cousin weren't expected to do the same. Or how I, in my old job (I worked with marketing for pilots in aviation), would constantly have to deal with comments about my apperance, gender, and would constantly be delegated the 'female tasks' despite them not being part of my job despription.
Sexism comes in a lot of forms, and in my expierence it's usually on a individual basis, but I've friends who move in a different part of society than I do, who both expierence more severe sexism and more structual sexism than I do.
bosko43buha (OP) at 2024-03-08 14:52:17+00:00 ID: ktx7yxr
Yeah, we have same laws here, but the biggest issue is that the laws are often "worked around". My wife had a colleague who didn't have a permanent contract and even that only meant that the employer couldn't fire her only until she came back to work. By that time, they already found a replacement for her so it was just a technicality.
I understand that things like that are better regulated and followed through in Denmark.
aksta at 2024-03-08 14:03:04+00:00 ID: ktx09r8
I´m 30 and haven´t noticed a significant change, especially in parenting. Comparing to Croatia i guess women have better conditions for taking maternity leave, but i´d argue we´ve regressed since its now law that maternity leave has to be 50/50 between men and women. We can longer allocate it how we wish.
Most women work in government which never lays anyone off for taking maternity leave. Our private sector is pretty good with this as well, as we have laws that protect women in this regard. I´m sure there are horror stories here and there, but honestly i´m certain they are the exception not the rule.
RoastedRock at 2024-03-08 15:52:39+00:00 ID: ktxiag1
You will get financially punished if you dont share paternity leave 50/50, so we where pretty much there when we startede socially controlling the personal diffrencies between the sexes.
bergsoe at 2024-03-08 15:54:11+00:00 ID: ktxik5x
I think we are number one when it comes to biggest sex differences in the workplace, which is a great stat that proves we have removed a lot of the barriers in society for people to choose the field they feel most confidence in. In our neighbouring countries it seems to be going in the wrong direction because they implement sexist laws to forcefully influence the workplace.
DevineBossLady at 2024-03-08 16:18:54+00:00 ID: ktxmxkz
Are we equal? No.
Are we more equal than most countries? Yes.
We have come a long way, but there is still work to be done.
liquid-handsoap at 2024-03-08 16:23:15+00:00 ID: ktxnpxv
Kan du ikke lige hjælpe mig højere oppe? Hvad mangler vi konkret?
AntagonizedDane at 2024-03-08 17:17:46+00:00 ID: ktxxmcm
Flere kvinder skal dræbes, så vi når samme antal som mænd.
Flere kvinder skal begå selvmord, så vi når samme antal som mænd.
Flere kvinder skal udsættes for vold (helst af andre kvinder).
Flere mænd skal udsættes for seksuelle krænkelser (af kvinder?).
Flere mænd skal blive gravide og føde børn.
Flere mænd skal lære at vaske gokkesokken, deres to måneder gamle, uvaskede sengetøj, skrubbe toilettet og brusenischen.
Flere kvinder skal lære at skifte hjul på bilen, rense tagrenden, og generel vedligehold af hjemmet.
Flere mænd skal blive sygeplejersker og pædagoger.
Flere kvinder skal blive jordbeton arbejdere og skraldemænd.
Flere mænd skal tildeles fuld forældremyndighed over børnene, og have lov til at lyve om deres partner overfor Familieretshuset.
Flere kvinder skal fratages forældremyndigheden over børnene, og straffes for at lyve om deres partner overfor Familieretshuset.
Har jeg glemt noget?
Og /s hvis nogen skulle være i tvivl, og så ikke alligevel.
DevineBossLady at 2024-03-08 17:23:12+00:00 ID: ktxylfo
...Ligeløn ville være et perfekt sted at starte.
... Fri abort (og nej, vi har ikke fri abort)
....At kvinder i den fødedygtige alder havde ligeså nemt ved at blive ansat som alle andre.
...Færre kvinder der blev dræbt (af mænd)
...Færre kvinder der bliver udsat for vold og seksuelle overgreb (af mænd)
...Lige fordeling af kvinder og mænd i magtpositioner.
... og der er mange andre ting på listen.
liquid-handsoap at 2024-03-08 17:24:43+00:00 ID: ktxyva4
Jeg siger det videre. Tak for hjælpen! Og god weekend
liquid-handsoap at 2024-03-08 17:31:29+00:00 ID: kty03o4
Brah jeg har brug for hjælp igen
https://www.reddit.com/r/Denmark/s/kEGOrviHrH
Hvad skal jeg svare?
TechnoMulen at 2024-03-08 18:34:58+00:00 ID: ktybp9p
hvorfor er det alle siger kvinder tjener 12-13% mindre end mænd Kan nogen pege på et fag hvor det er rigtigt altså timeløn og ikke antal timer arbejdet. Og hvis det er sandt at kvinder får mindre i løn for samme arbejde hvorfor ansætter man ikke kvinder i stedet for mænd ? det er vel billigere.