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[–] [email protected] 181 points 8 months ago (11 children)

The list of reasons why I refuse to buy Nintendo products is getting pretty hefty at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yuzu fucked up. This is about more than the decryption. Yuzu's actions (copypasta from a fine redditor):

  • Massive patreon, to the point it has an LLC set to manage the money flow
  • Early access releases are effectively SOLD, they fucked around with manifest/build files, abused GPL to go after some forks back when they were Citra, attacked other forks/emulators then benefitted from their work and even replicated their practices (like CEMU's patreon), etc
  • Actively targets Switch competitors (Steam Deck, Android), to the point Valve once included it in a marketing reel
  • Its presence on the OFFICIAL Android play store rather than an apk competes with Nintendo's own Android games (undermining both those and the Switch)
  • Unauthorized use of Nintendo imagery
  • Extensive telemetry, itself juicy data that could be sold for advertisers, on top of Nintendo's own built-in telemetry that's also sent
  • Patreon marketing is heavily focused on games that broke street day release date, and even when they show some "restraint" it's just a release day post how much better the game runs on a platform that's not the Nintendo Switch, in the same launch period where most sales happen
  • Progress reports timed suspiciously close to major Nintendo first-party releases
  • ATTEMPTED to make a competitor to the Switch Online service, using files from an external preservation group, and it would have been a PAID service, and the subscription MORE EXPENSIVE than Nintendo's actual service (it was $60 something) despite smaller compatibility, for games still online, as a CLOSED-SOURCE FORK of a GPL PROJECT so that players don't actually set up their own custom servers to avoid paying Yuzu's pittance. When there was backlash, they REMOVED all traces of online emulation after they couldn't profit off it.
[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Yeah their problem was to make it a commercial operation. At that point it's trivial for Nintendo to show they've enriched themselves on the back of ripped ROMs by enabling them.

Whereas if you do everything for free and don't even accept donations, they'd have a big problem showing that you have any commercial interest and hence can be sued for damages.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 8 months ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 60 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The team behind Yuzu is different from ReSwitched and Atmosphere, so you were fine either way.

This just means Yuzu agrees to delete their copies of the tools they used and send Nintendo their hacked Switch consoles (probably to be destroyed).

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Although the fact that these programs were named means that Nintendo's Eye of Sauron is on them - the extra attention makes me nervous. I definitely would have modded it this weekend if I hadn't already decided to last weekend.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is no world where these tools exists and Nintendo does not know them. It's not some deep darknet secret lore hidden behind seven-VPN. Anything that happens online about emulation, all the company knows it exists and how it works. The threat never goes away.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Nintendo,
reinventing themselves as a law-suite company
which also publishes games on the side..

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago (3 children)

They are becoming Oracle...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

They already are

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 64 points 8 months ago (3 children)

In completely unrelated news, I now have a private repo on my private gitea that has a lot of c++ code

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

In even more unrelated news, does anybody know of some good spots to bury random flash drives containing a lot of C++ code?

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

Is yuzu really going to "shut down"? I have it installed on my computer at least. And it's foss, no? So anyone can clone the repo.

Damn, the repo is already gone.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Here's my fork in case you want it: https://github.com/TxzK/yuzu. I'm sure some actively maintained forks will pop up eventually.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Be careful, now Nintendo is out for blood. I would get it off GitHub at the very least.

Take a look here for some potential alternatives: https://lemmy.world/post/12529718

[–] [email protected] 48 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Hello, it's me Nintendo please pay me 2.4M bucks in damages from sharing those links, you vicious criminal 😭

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[–] vinnymac 26 points 8 months ago

Doesn’t matter if it’s gone, as long as it is available elsewhere, which of course it is.

A fork will most certainly pop up. I’m curious what this means for ryujinx development going forward.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago (14 children)

If these guys were making money off their emulator then it's not surprising in the least that Nintendo gutted them.

Three trick to being a parasite is that you can't attract the hosts attention in any way. If you start eating the hosts food they goanna swat you.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm more than a little miffed that Nintendo has my Patreon dollars.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You wanna believe I downloaded it as soon as this was announced. Been playing some Metroid Dread on a 32 inch monitor with a controller that doesn't cramp up my hands the past couple of days. Thanks for giving me the push I needed Nintendo! I might have just been happy with my Steam library instead.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (5 children)

So, are Yuzu developers actually have $2.4M lying around, or will they pay for it in installment like Gary Bowser?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good luck trying to "shut down" a open source software.. Still sucks tho, why Nintendo gotta make so good games but be so shitty of a company otherwise

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately Nintendo will happily chase anyone that distributes this as aggressively as Metallica chased people around in the Napster days.

Of course the tools will never be fully scoured.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Here is the latest stable build of Yuzu that I've got from 24 hours ago for anyone who wasn't able to download it in time.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Is there any way to turn off Yuzu auto-update? I don't want my computer connecting to a website that Nintendo now owns every time I boot up Yuzu.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

Good point. I added yuzu-emu.org and all its subdomains to my custom blocklist in adguard for now. Alternatively you can put yuzu-emu.org, api.yuzu-emu.org and profile.yuzu-emu.org on your host file to block them.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

I got all the latest builds of Yuzu, which will I will soon upload to Mega, but it didn't occur to me to download the tools.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ok, so I’m not gonna buy anything from Nintendo anymore. Got it.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Grass 25 points 8 months ago

Welp. I guess it's time to pirate double that in Nintendo IP.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Ryujinx is still around, also fuck Nintendo even thought I had bought all the games I play on Yuzu from here on out if I ever buy a Nintendo console it will be only if there is a method to pirate games on that shit. They don't deserve my money cause their hardware is shit it was 5 years outdated when the switch came out. I want to play my games at 60 FPS and without my eyes bleeding due to the shit resolution and anti-aliasing. So if they want my money they need to pull a Sony and release their games on pc!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (22 children)

I'm just sorry for them. 2.4M dollars? How will they ever pay this? Do you think they will actually have to pay it fully?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Definitely not. You'd have to be naive to think Nintendo wasn't aware of Yuzu since long, long, long before this.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure something else will eventually come along. The only way to stop emulators from existing is to not have a system at all. I.e., if Nintendo were to stop making video game hardware, then there would be no new emulators except for ones developed for previous/existing hardware.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Ryujinx hasn't gone anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (5 children)

It probably will soon. They have a Patreon and also use prod.keys to decrypt games, and now Nintendo knows they can succeed on forcing settlements over this.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Ryujinx devs are probably sweating right now. Might want to grab the latest version in case it goes away soon.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That was fast.

Glad I haven't bought anything Nintendo since the Wii.

They could disappear for all I care.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I'm not sure how it'll work since I'm sure no one wants to be sued over a commit, but you pretty obviously can't kill an open source project so easily.

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