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Hamas rejects Israel’s offer of two-month pause in Gaza fighting — Egyptian official (www.timesofisrael.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A senior Egyptian who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity says terror group Hamas has rejected Israel’s proposal for a two-month ceasefire in which Hamas would release Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian security prisoners.

The official says Hamas leaders have also refused to leave Gaza and are demanding that Israel fully withdraw from the territory and allow Palestinians to return to their homes.

Under Israel’s proposal, Yahya Sinwar and other top Hamas leaders in Gaza would be allowed to relocate to other countries.

The official says Egypt and Qatar, which have brokered past agreements between Israel and Hamas, are developing a multi-stage proposal to try to bridge the gaps. The proposal would include ending the war, releasing the hostages and putting forth a vision for resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Some context that would not be included in times of israel would be the following:

Israel rejects Hamas hostage release deal, lays out own Gaza truce terms

The proposal comes following Netanyahu's rejection of a Hamas offer that sought an end to the war in return for the release of the remaining hostages.

The Israeli government has offered a new proposal to Hamas that would see a two-month ceasefire in return for the release of Israeli hostages, after rebuffing a Hamas offer.

It is also unknown if any of the over 6,000 Palestinians that have been detained by the Israeli military since 7 October from the occupied West Bank will be included in the deal.

Some 250 hostages were taken during Hamas' attack on Israel on 7 October, with 130 being released during a one-week ceasefire in November.

Families of the Israeli hostages have ramped up calls for their release, with protests occurring outside Netanyahu's house and inside the Israeli Knesset on Sunday.

UN agencies have repeatedly called for a ceasefire for an increase in humanitarian aid into Gaza, as UNRWA reports that 570,000 people face catastrophic hunger in the enclave.

[+] [email protected] -43 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I'm not really sure what that adds.

When you declare war, as Hamas did on October 7th, you don't get to set the terms of your own surrender.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago

I’m not really sure what that adds.

As mentioned above it adds context. Context to the claims of the main Israeli news outlet.

And please, do not talk as if this started last October, cause it's definitely not the case.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Way to ignore history, short sighted interpretation is what got us here and I'm fact keeps us here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

When you declare war as Israel did in 2006, you don't get to set the terms of your own surrender.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Because the events of the world since '48 didn't occur. Nice to know that history started a handful of weeks ago

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Did this proposal include anything to do with reigning in military and off-duty cop-backed settler violence in West Bank and Gaza? The cases of violence of which only 6% of police probes ended in any sort of prosecution

How the last ceasefires went, settlers continued to raid and stole land, food, shelter and belongings, escorted by Israeli military for "security", and any attempt at resistance Israel could point the finger at "Hamas breaking the ceasefire". Or they were just shot dead.

[–] Lynthe 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Given that Hamas does not operate in the West Bank I'm dubious that what you are describing in a West Bank hypothetical would occur. Illegal settlements in the West Bank are awful and should be stopped by Israel - but they are not directly tied to the current conflict with Hamas.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Right, but I'm saying a peace deal in Gaza should include Israel's activities in West Bank, because they are needless casualties of Israel's continued aggression in and around Jenin since July, and only escalated further in retaliation of the October massacre. They aren't disconnected, even if Hamas doesn't operate there.

[–] Lynthe -4 points 10 months ago

Israel should stop settlements in the West Bank because its the right thing to do. However if I were a Palestinian in Gaza and a peace deal was derailed because Hamas was refusing to agree without West Bank settlement concessions I'd be pretty pissed.

That being said given that Hamas broke the last ceasefire agreement, and their stated goal is to conduct other attacks like Oct 7th, I'm not sure how a ceasefire could be reached even on narrow grounds.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Just a point of clarification, Hamas does operate in the West Bank, but they don't control or manage it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Hamas are obviously looking for a deal that will ensure their survival

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So Israel gave these stupid terms that anyone with a brain cell would refuse, and the 4 Zainoist here will claim "Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians life, look they refused a peace deal"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

When did Hamas suddenly become the good guys anyways? Both leaderships need to go, but acting like Hamas aren't a bunch of self interested fucks is just silly

[+] [email protected] -12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's a shame they don't seem to care about Palestinian lives and Israel is expected to care more than they do. What's baffling to me is that they still enjoy widespread support, nearly three in four Palestinians approve of Hamas and October 7th. Evidently this situation is what they want? If Hamas were deposed and the hostages released, this war could be over tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Yes Israel is supposed to care more about Palestinians than Hamas because Hamas is a terrorist organization an Israel is supposedly not that.

When Israel is literally starving them to death who do you think they will “support”. They literally have no choice. It’s either terrorists or the people killing you.

[+] [email protected] -15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The more Palestinian civilians Hamas throw into the meat-grinder, the more upset Westerners, who no longer understand war nor believe in anything worth fighting for, become.

The more upset they become, the more they pressure their governments to put pressure on Israel.

Eventually, Israel is forced to let Hamas live.

Hamas recover, then unleash even more violence a few years down the line.

Rinse. Repeat.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

I don't believe at this stage it is entirely Hamas doing the throwing. It seems Israel's RoE is shoot anything that moves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

why would Israel find Hamas then?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Pleased to know that Israel is not responsible for any of the killing. Got it

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think Israel is playing this game the way Hamas and other terrorists expected them to play it. Didn't Hezbollah fighters recently complain that Israel is now sometimes striking without warning them?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think that Israel is playing the game exactly the way that Iran wants them to. The unreasonable level of violence against civilians is isolating Israel diplomatically and deeply tainting US reputation for relatively little cost.

Netanyahu is playing this game because his survival depends on it. As soon as war ends, he is kicked out and a bunch of judicial processes fall on him that he has been avoiding with his immunity. He has a vested interest in prolonging the conflict.

Hamas has a vested interest in prolonging the conflict too, because it means that they can be “freedom fighters” and “martyrs” instead of terrorists, and assassins, and means a reasonable amount of people flock to them. It also gives them legitimacy compared to the Palestinian Authority

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas and Oct 7 has ~72% approval from the Palestinian public, so I guess the destruction of Gaza is what most everyone wants? Baffling.

As for Bibi, his asymmetrical response is not jeopardizing US relations so much as he's jeopardizing Biden's second term. Trump will probably give Israel a blank check and may even want to push the big red missile button himself.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

You don't understand that an imprisoned people would support people fighting their oppressors?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hamas are not idiots, the response is exactly what they wanted. A whole new generation of resistance is being bombed into existence now and Israel is alienating its closest allies to do it, for Hamas that's a victory. They expected Israel to kill a bunch of random civilians in a brutal response to their attack, it's not a surprise for them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Sure thousands of civilians under our rule died as our human shields from a war we provoked, our critical infrastructure was destroyed because we used it for war, thousands of our soldiers were killed, and we didn't achieve our stated objectives, but future generations are going to be really mad about it so I consider that a total victory.

-Hamas (not idiots)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Yes, Hamas is immoral and does idiotic things from our perspective but it's a mistake to believe that makes them idiots. They didn't just stumble into attacking Israel, and they weren't naive about how Israel would respond.