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In Kentucky, politicians are preparing to vote on a law that would authorize the use of force against unhoused people who are found to be camping on private property.

Republican politicians in Kentucky are rallying behind a new bill that would authorize the use of force—and potentially deadly force—against unhoused people who are found to be camping on private property. The bill would also criminalize unsanctioned homeless encampments and restrict cities and towns from preempting state laws.

The bill, known as the “Safer Kentucky Act,” or HB5, would target homelessness, drug possession and mental illness by drastically increasing criminal penalties for a range of offenses. Introduced last week by Republican state representative Jared Bauman, it already has 52 sponsors in Kentucky’s House of Representatives. A vote is scheduled for this week.

Advocates are most alarmed by one aspect of the “Safer Kentucky Act” in particular: an anti-homeless provision that would authorize violence by property owners on people camping on their property. The bill says the use of force is “justifiable” if a defendant believes that criminal trespass, robbery or “unlawful camping” is occurring on their property.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 7 months ago (3 children)

the party of jesus, folks.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a shame American Evangelicals can't read, or they'd realize they've been worshipping a filthy commie the whole time.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wait until they find out he was a brown skinned middle easterner.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Jordan? Judah? Michael? Matthew? Luke? Those are all nice Christian boy names.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Supply Side Jesus for sure.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Hmmm, WWJD, What would Jesus do?

Set them on fire and send them to hell.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Jesus beating up merchants who set up shop outside a temple is canon. We have evidence Jesus has the will and capacity for violence and what he would do in an American state or federal legislative building would probably freak a lot of people out.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

He didn't just flip tables and whip the moneychangers. He was so full of righteous fury that he left, and took hours to braid his own whip, came back, and then started flipping tables and whipping moneychangers.

In my head I like to envision him sitting on a rock, braiding the whip, and muttering to himself. Shit like:

"Mother fuckers, I swear to Dad, you don't even know what Monopoly is yet, and I'm gonna show you the proper ending to the Milton Bradley version of that game."

While the Apostles are just huddled around bewildered and scared since they have no clue what's about to happen, since they'd NEVER seen him even irritated before.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Second time I need to drop Supply Side Jesus in a day: https://imgur.com/gallery/bCqRp

[–] [email protected] 58 points 7 months ago (3 children)

A "Safer Kentucky Act" that makes it extremely unsafe for one of our nation's most vulnerable groups.

Absolute ghouls.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

These are the type of people who watch The Purge and think "hell yeah, can't wait brother!" As if their old dumbassas wouldn't be amongst the first purged.

I've known quite a few Doomers and Accerationists and each one has never served in the military, completely obsessed with guns, and seem to be scared of anyone different, if TEOTWAWKI went down I'd be pointing my crew in their direction for easy loot if there was a need.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Well yes but those aren’t people /s

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 7 months ago (3 children)

"Safer Kentucky Act"

Orwellian is not a strong enough word. This shit is beyond parody.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The Kill Bill, would be more apt tbh

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[–] Imgonnatrythis 9 points 7 months ago

It should be illegal to euphamize bills. What a load of deceptive shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago
[–] BigDanishGuy 30 points 7 months ago

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free

...

so that I may hunt them for sport

Stay classy America!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Classic. Punish being poor.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

These people can't have a shred of empathy. The homeless being treated like vermin. People at the lowest point of their lives, when they need help the most, are mistreated awfully by those in power.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Their plan to fight homelessness and mental illness is simple: Make them illegal! That should solve it.

Meanwhile, regulating firearms won’t work because then only criminals will have guns. These people are ducking evil.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

Local police are reportedly opposed to the idea.

They say shooting random poor people is their job.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

How fucking Christian of them...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Then once passed, quietly reinterpret “property owners” as anyone with a right skin color. Just ask that Kenosha shooter how it’s done.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

No need... home-ownership is already skewed to a race.

From Census.gov

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

2 (1) The use of physical force by a defendant upon another person is justifiable when the
3 defendant believes that such force is immediately necessary to prevent:

4 (a) The commission of criminal trespass, robbery, burglary, or other felony
5 involving the use of force, or under those circumstances permitted pursuant to
6 KRS 503.055, in a dwelling, building or upon real property in his or her
7 possession or in the possession of another person for whose protection he or
8 she acts;[ or]
9 (b) Theft, criminal mischief, or any trespassory taking of tangible, movable
10 property in his or her possession or in the possession of another person for
11 whose protection he or she acts; or
12 (c) The commission of unlawful camping in violation of Section 17 of this Act,
13 when the offense is occurring on property owned or leased by the defendant,
14 the individual engaged in unlawful camping has been told to cease, and the
15 individual committing the offense has used force or threatened to use force
16 against the defendant.

I haven't been through all the amendments yet, and I'm not a lawyer, but the author of the article may have mischaracterized a portion of the bill.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not commenting on the particulars of this proposed bill one way or the other, but I was going to say that I wish these articles would at least link to the actual language of the proposed statute so I can decide whether I agree with the article writer's interpretation or if it's clickbait. (The same with court opinions. And heck, quotes are taken out of context all the time as well. Link me the original source in case I don't want trust the spoon feeding.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

but I was going to say that I wish these articles would at least link to the actual language of the proposed statute

Link to bill: https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/record/24rs/hb5.html

It's kind of a pet peeve of mine too.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The article says:

The bill says the use of force is “justifiable” if a defendant believes that criminal trespass, robbery or “unlawful camping” is occurring on their property.

The bill says:

2 (1) The use of physical force by a defendant upon another person is justifiable when the
3 defendant believes that such force is immediately necessary to prevent:
... 12 (c) The commission of unlawful camping in violation of Section 17 of this Act,
13 when the offense is occurring on property owned or leased by the defendant,
14 the individual engaged in unlawful camping has been told to cease, and the
15 individual committing the offense has used force or threatened to use force
16 against the defendant.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (3 children)

A dead person can't defend themselves. All the aggressor has to do is say, "They threatened to kick my ass, so I shot them in theirs." How do you dispute that the defendant is lying?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You don't and that's why cops have told me in plain words if you ever have to shoot someone, its better for you if they don't survive.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Prosecutors have to conduct a court-observed seance in order to convict you.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The bill says the use of force is "justifiable" if a defendant believes that criminal trespass, robbery, or "unlawful camping" is occurring on their property.

Great, so not only does it let them shoot homeless people, it lets them do it even if they "believe" it's happening. So you can just shoot someone on your property for no reason at all, and say "well, I though they were performing a robbery".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"They were scoping the place out to put up a tent, I had to shoot them officer."

"They didn't have anything with them"

"But I believed that was their purpose"

"Alright, checks out, have a nice day sir."

  • Somewhere in near future in Kentucky if this passes
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

They're basically extending Castle Doctrine out to the sidewalk. Next they'll add you car to the list and you get to shoot anyone who cuts you off or makes eye contact with you while driving. After that you'll get a personal exclusivity zone and can shoot anyone who comes within ten feet of you in public as long as they look "homeless" (ie are poor and/or black).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

isn't gay panic a legal defense in the states? there are so many legal ways to murder someone over there what's one more going to do?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the NRA should distribute guns to the homeless in an outreach program to show that conservatives do care about the downtrodden. Everyone has a right to bear arms, right? Isn't that the conservative mantra? Well, except for the homeless poor, minorities, etc...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Everyone has the right to bear arms! *

~*Everyone~ ~defined~ ~exclusively~ ~as~ ~white~~,~~land~ ~owning~~,~ ~politically~ ~conservative~ ~male~ ~over~ ~the~ ~age~ ~of~ ~35~

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I bet you could pull it of if you were a white conservative male living out of your pickup and had a gun to keep away those thieving (insert group conservatives love to hate on here).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

They want the purge to be real so badly.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Man, bad week to be homeless! By Friday they'll be legalizing priests' ability to crucify homeless people who trespass.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is going to be a great example for all the 2a nuts that more than just homeowners have weapons.

Waiting to hear about the first time a would-be victim manages to outdraw the bloodthirsty landowner coming for them. Will they get a pass as an act of self defense or would they be charged under the old laws?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

“Safer Kentucky Act,”

FOR WHO?!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

anyone remember when "hunting the homeless for sport" was an exaggeration of republican politics?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have a coworker from Kentucky and he says that some of the sanctuary cities that the illegals were being bussed to threatened to bus them to the surrounding red states is why they’re passing laws like this. It’s a scare tactic to the left and the good ole boys in Kentucky are itching to shoot someone legally so the R’s get guaranteed reelection.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, Opens up The GOP playbook

Looks like the proper response is to arm the homeless, drug dealers, and mentally unstable.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

So if the homeless guy shoots back in response, it's all fair game because it was in self-defence, right? Right?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

The "Stop Hitting Yourself Act"

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