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If I post nsfw onto a community hosted on lemmynsfw, for example, from the sh.itjust.works account, would that breaking the no pron rule, or not necessarily, since it's posted on a different instance?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

No, it doesn't break the rule IMO. Yes, the image is hosted on sh.itjust.works, but it's not posted in any community on sh.itjust.works, so... it should be OK.

[–] snota 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what The Dude said initially it's to avoid having to deal with the legal side of hosting content that might be illegal. In that instance it being hosted here is the problem.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Oh... yeah, you're right, forgot about that...

[–] Barbarian 8 points 1 year ago

As far as I understand it, this should be the correct answer. Obey the rules of the instance the community is on when on that community.

[–] wheeldawg 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of you post to an outside community, is not hosted on your insurance. It's hosted where it's posted.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I don't think that is actually true...

OK let's make a test. I have 2 accounts on sh.itjust.works, this is my lemmy.fmhy.ml account. I'll attach a pic, see where the link points to.

The link says lemmy.fmhy.ml 🤷.

[–] wheeldawg 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Huh. Well that just makes no sense structurally. Thanks for pointing it out though.

How does this thing work at all? You would expect it to all be hosted to the site the community is hosted on. So now when a comment thread is fetched, it has to go to all these other servers for every single comment from another instance. This is actually mind-boggling.

Does anyone have an ELI5 for why it's done this way?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Actually, the post content is saved on the instance where the post is posted as well. That post is called a copy, the original resides on the poster's originating instance. But, not the media, no, that resides on the instance where the poster resgistered.

[–] imaqtpie 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://lemmy.world/comment/20357

Breaking out old reliable. This comment has taught many Lemmings in its time

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 3 points 1 year ago

Basically everything goes through your instance. If you make a post, it goes to the copy of the community that's on your instance. Likewise if you comment. If you join a community, your instance starts listening for changes and stores those on the instance.

That way if another instance goes down, you still have a copy of all of the content there that someone on your instance is interested in. So that way pretty much everything is backed up.

I personally think we can do better, but it's an easy enough system that all but guarantees that content doesn't disappear. You could even set up an instance that never deletes anything if you want to make sure you don't lose any data.

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[–] FlagonOfMe 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Makes sense to me, but I've read the opposite.

Anyone got a source that explains how it really works?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I tested the theory a few posts below with a pic, it's explained there.

[–] FlagonOfMe 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're confusing posts and comments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FlagonOfMe 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wasted like a minute looking through your post history to realize you meant a comment. Fix your comment. While you're at it, link to your other comment instead of just saying "down below", because it was above your comment it in my app.

It's easy, here's the link: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/1176164

[–] wheeldawg 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, but that's what common sense says.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That is what common sense says (I thought it worked like that in the beginning), but that is not how it actually works, see my post below.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Out of curiosity, what is the advantage of changing instance. If all instances are federated and you can, therefore , subscribe to any instance what would be the reason to migrate?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For me, I am weary of lemmy.world getting ddos’d continuously, and wanted to at least have an option of a smaller instance to increase overall distribution of activity on lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I have a few accounts on different instances and flick between the seamlessly in the app I use. It has worked well for me when experiencing the issue you describe.

[–] Barbarian 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Basically, the big two reasons are the admin and the server. You want an admin you trust and a server that works well.

[–] yata 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, my first (reddit emigrant) account was on lemmy.world as well, and even before the ddos attacks it was strained to the limit and extremely slow. Comments and posts weren't syncing properly in the federation and everything just took ages to load. Creating an account here was a considerable improvement.

I just didn't know anything about how the fediverse worked, so I just picked the first server which is recommended on the intropage, and that is lemmy.world. It would probably be a good thing to switch up the sequence of the servers presented on that intro page, because I am sure most people who are unfamiliar with how the whole federation thing works will pick lemmy.world just as I did, and the instance will keep being disproportionately bloated and strained compared to all other instances.

[–] Salix 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not all instances are federated. If you go to the bottom of the page and click on "Instances", you can see what instances are blocked.

For example, feddit.de defederated sh.itjust.works.

If you scroll down to their instances page, you can see this instance blocked at the bottom.

[–] wheeldawg 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What did we do to piss them off? Where the instancedrama community at? xD

[–] imaqtpie 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We've just had an issue with gross spammers making accounts on this instance and they didn't wanna deal with it for now. We are planning to approach them about refederation as soon as we can get our moderation tools online and be more effective at blocking and removing offensive content in a timely manner.

Sorry if you already got your popcorn out, kinda boring drama this time 😉

[–] wheeldawg 2 points 1 year ago

Lol it's ok. I like popcorn anyway. xD

[–] EchoCT 6 points 1 year ago

Why not just have a separate lemmynsfw account? It's 2 clicks to change between accounts on Jeroba.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks!

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