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Imagine having a belief that is 100% the opposite of science, a belief which is ONLY beneficial to mega corporations, and threatening someone's life based upon that belief. Sounds like a cult.
Thank god American media is free and not totally a giant propaganda mill like all those evil nations that aren’t America and not as special as America is.
The real crime is intentional sabotage of the educational systems so the voting population has no critical thinking skills. When I was a kid we did an experiment in the 5th grade showing increased Co2 in a glass bottle increases the temperature in the bottle. Now here we are debating the 5G chips in the Covid vaccine and arguing about which media/politician/company is more corrupt or biased. The universe would be better off if a benevolent alien life form exterminated humans and let evolution start over.
As a non American it is always wild to hear such strangely internatilised concepts of how people see the world. This guy received emails saying it was a “liberal conspiracy theory on the weather”, calling climate change a “Biden hoax”. Does someone like that have no concept that this is an issue for the rest of us outside the USA? (Aka the majority of the world). And that it existed for prior administrations too!
I don't think people that spout death threats on climate change do much thinking at all.
A well formed thought would kill these people as assuredly as an aneurism.
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Republicans have been actively attacking and undermining American schools for decades. These depleted schools have produced legions of people who can't discern truth from falsity and have absolutely no curiosity about the rest of the world. Facebook and the television tell them liberals are bad and the cause of all their problems. They don't question it.
I want to know the mushbrain that gave you the downvote.
Why did you do it? What part of that comment did you not agree with, how is it wrong?
People like this have basically no concept of the rest of the world at all. I have talked to many people who don’t understand there is a difference between China and Japan, and think Africa is a country. And they don’t care.
Most likely this person also never thinks about states in the US more than one state away from theirs. When I moved to New England as a kid I had teachers think I was from a foreign country because I moved from New Mexico… I’d have to explain “it’s the state between Arizona and Texas”, and then people would just look confused.
So, no news from the rest of the world filters into their brain at all.
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It’s crazy to talk to folks with only a couple of grams of brain matter. They say that the weather is changing, but they think magic sky man do it.
Magic sky man scary me no like. Bad man make planet hot because we be naughty.
I used to listen and try to understand when I lived in rural counties in the US. Now all I hear is..
Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I used to listen and try to understand when I lived in rural counties in the US. Now all I hear is…
Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
This patronizing attitude is part of the reason politicians like Trump has become popular. He talks to these people who the "civilized" part of the country is totally ignoring. You care about climate change, and so do I. But what if you live near a coal mine that has slowly been phased out? You see your town which your grandfather lived in slowly rots away. You see America as a failing country - you see stores closing. You see people moving away. People dying from opiate overdose. Unemployment and depression
These people have real and legitimate grievances. Their government has failed them - which is why anti-establishment figures like Trump is such a lightning rod for their energy. Then we go and tell them that we need to make sacrifices for the climate. What are they supposed to think? What more do they have to give?
Ignoring these people and pretending like they don't matter or are totally irrational is going to help lead to fascism in this country. Any real revolutionary movement will have to incorporate the whole of America. We need these people on our side.
Cry me a river. Clinton had a plan to retrain and retool these coal towns your describing into productive green energy leaders and they rejected it because she eats babies and wind farms kill birds, or whatever. They are totally irrational and I'm not going to keep pretending otherwise. The real government failure is lack of education spending and critical thinking skills (thanks GOP) that is going to take generations to correct.
Edit: I'll add there are sparks of "hope" in rural america now that farmers are seeing the impacts of climate change effecting their yields, I think they are starting to come around. Probably too late, but it's something...
So how do we prevent the rise of fascism this generation? There's already serious and increasing calls to violent action, since of which have been acted on, with little to no consequences.
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These people have real and legitimate grievances. Their government has failed them.
Yes, they do and yes, they think it has. The problem is that they have been in the business of voting for people who campaign on the "Government is bad, vote for us and we'll show you just how bad we can make it." It's their own fucking fault that the government doesn't work as well as it could. And despite their best efforts we still manage to have rural internet to connect them to the world in places where they would never be able to afford it, interstate roads to send their crops to market and bring every modern amenity to their local stores, a national air transport system to bring them a new liver or kidney after they've destroyed theirs, working ports to bring their tractors and 4 wheelers and snowmobiles, billions upon billions of dollars in (otherwise unaffordable) crop insurance and price supports for their products, and an army of adjusters with stacks of cash to rebuild after every tornado, flood, heatwave, snowstorm, hurricane, and forest fire.
The government has not failed them, they have failed their government. Their hand is out whenever they have a bad day, but their memory is wiped out every time they see that all those benefits might cost money.
There's only so much handholding you can do for people who actively refuse to listen to facts and science that tell them their way of life, based on the mining of fossil fuels, is long past being sustainable. The best I can offer is my sympathies that they ignored the same writing on the wall that the rest of us have been reading for a couple of decades. It's on Daddy and Grandpa for not telling their kids that the "family business" is a bad future career choice and not directing them towards something with a more sustainable outlook.
You can't engage with people who want to murder their perceived enemies. Sorry that it sucks to live in a rural area, but they have to regain some semblance of sanity before a conversation can take place.
The people who IDOLIZE Timothy McVeigh will never be on your side I hate to break it to you.
And Fascism is already here. The Nazi rally’s at Madison Square Garden in the 1930’s was an indication of that.
And the Civil War, that was Americas brand of Fascism at the time.
These folks believe in Gods kingdom as the ONLY reality, they don’t look at the world through your lens.
The coal mine closing, rural lands becoming industrial, Sacklers killing their innocent kids, that’s not what drives them.
Fighting the spiritual war is the only thing to do because everything else is literally out of their control.
Their ill placed revenge is always going to be a vote against you.
They were bred that way. We can’t change it. They have to, and that ain’t likely.
Check out Deer Hunting With Jesus by Joe Bageant. It’s a rednecks view of his own people and some predictions that came true.
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Sky hot because gay marriage legal
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We'll say it again, for the people in the back: it doesn't matter whether you believe in potentially lethal threats or not.
They'll still kill you. And if you ignore them and pretend they don't exist, they'll usually kill you much, much faster than if you were actively trying to mitigate them.
These same morons chose to mass die of Covid. They will again in the next pandemic. And they will of climate change. Unless we organize and start electing people who pass climate laws pretty quickly.
Listen, and understand. Those climate change denying NPCs are out there. They can’t be bargained with. They can’t be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they will absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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Why do so many conservatives resort to intimidation, "death threats", and violence to reinforce their beliefs? The current Conservative movement seems to be based as much on fear and retribution as anything else. Meanwhile, they get their panties in a bunch when someone calls them "deplorable"....
Because that’s how fascist nationalism works
Why do so many conservatives resort to intimidation, “death threats”, and violence to reinforce their beliefs?
It's the conspiracy theory mindset:
They convince themselves they are geniuses because they "know" something scientists deny, and they "saw through the lies", etc.
So when somone they previously listened to speaks against the conspiracy, all they hear is someone they trusted calling them stupid. And they project their own self-hatred onto that person.
When you don't have the truth at your side, you gotta resort to something else.
You're talking about people who have never had the intelligence or sense to win an argument with facts or anything in that sludge pit they call a mind
Intimidation and violence is their only resort for people to nod along
It would work on them. Why would it not work on you? Because the threat is not dire enough? We'll make it more dire then.
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Can someone explain to me why the average republican/right wing/religious nut are all against climate shit? Aside from being the dumbest people on the planet I'm lost finding another reason
The oil lobby has paid copious amounts of money to propagandize the population, and to bribe republican politicians to continue their policy of laissez-faire.
Capatilism at is finest
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They're just against anything liberals are for at this point. If liberals like it, it must be bad! Just wait until the Republicans take away their Medicare and social security. But wait, the Republicans will blame the Dems for it and the hate continues. This country is pretty much fubar for decades.
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They're brainwashed zealots and Republicans in office are preaching that it doesn't exist because they're paid by corporations that would be hurt by green energy.
These people start with one crazy idea, pop into an internet/Fox news rabbit hole, and come out with all the crazy ideas.
If you fall for one, you can fall for any.
Not to get overly philosophical or anything, but who you are as a person and what your ideas are come down to your experiences. For me, I spend time fixing/causing programming problems at work, talking with people, doomscrolling lemmy/mastodon, playing video games and watching shows.
For a portion of the population, they are sitting and watching fox news for hours upon hours a day. Even if you are resistant to a view point, your brain is not capable of 100% rejecting a message that is being sledgehammered in to you over and over again. If Fox news or other shit media is your experience, it would be hard to think of the world in a way that doesn't conform to what they tell you. It will be incremental at first, you'll reject 95% of a message that doesn't conform to your previous ideas, but maybe concerned face newscaster has a point about the border. "We can't let everyone in" you might reason. All to make your more malleable to the next crock of shit they serve up.
The more I think about it the grosser it is. Just a mass of blond ladies telling you minorities and people who care about the environment are out to change your way of life. You way of life - which is sitting on a couch watching blond ladies spouting lies to you. I'm sure there's some sick mental illness issues floating around here.
I used to work at a bank that had fox news on all day and it was horrible, but I'm positive some of my viewpoints from then were shaped by that experience, despite me knowing it was a shit entertainment channel.
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But this soon provoked angst from some viewers, who grumbled that he should “stick to the weather”. Then, last July, he started getting a string of emails that included threats against his life.
That's just the entire right wing in a nutshell. Anything that challenges their worldview is ignored and mocked, and if you make them look at it for too long they threaten to murder you. Facts do not exist for Republicans in the same way they do for everyone else. They live in a bubble where they are right and everyone else is wrong. No exceptions.
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Literal wankpanzers, the whole lot of "conservatives".
These worthless GOP/Nazi morons are a plague on the universe. They live in a delusional world of stupidity.
It's really weird how in the rest of the world, climate change is an accepted scientific fact. We ain't doing much about it, that's true but at least we aren't straight up denying it like some Americans... what is it with the US always having the dumbest of the dumb? Or maybe they are just super loud?
Idk it's weird.
Fox News destroyed America.
Also a country full of people who own obnoxious, selfish, vain gas guzzlers, who actively ridicule anyone trying to drive a sensible car, and cancel out all the effort the rest of us are at least trying to do
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How pathetic do you have to be up make death threats against a fucking weather man?
I always wonder in these cases where idiots lash out denying climate change that deep down they do it as a coping mechanism, because if they accepted it exists it would quickly weigh down on them how fucked up our environment is.
By denying it they don't have to think about the world about to go to shit. Maybe that's why people still have kids.
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People used to do this to witches and others they decide they don't like. Can really see how burning innocent people at a stake could take off in society sadly.
Absolutely astonishing, and yet entirely not surprising at all
Muricans...
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