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The US transportation secretary announced on Wednesday afternoon that no grounded Boeing 737 Max 9 would return to service “until it is safe”, after Alaska Airlines announced the cancellation of all flights on its 737 Max 9 planes at the direction of the Federal Aviation Administration.

Pete Buttigieg said he was “not putting a timeline” on when the FAA will allow the planes to resume flights.

Every plane that the US aircraft manufacturer delivers “needs to be 100% safe”, Buttigieg added.

He said he has spoken to the head of Boeing and told him the company needs to do everything it can to establish 100% confidence in its planes.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

Two groundings in less than 5 years? Boeing is trading lives for share price. Hopefully the company dies as an example of corporate greed.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Riiiiiiight. They’ll get bailed out at worst.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Someone's seen this episode before.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

would have to cut into that sweet defense spending first …

[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Every insider said this the last time they had issues with the Max 8. Now here we are again. It absolutely infuriates me. I work for a medical device company in procurement. I've had to deal with these asshats coming in and recommending outsourcing and screwing our local vendors to save a few bucks... Then, surprise! We get shit parts, and it costs us a ton of resources to fix the issue, but hey we're"saving money" right? Some companies shouldn't be publicly traded.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But I was told any option but unhindered capitalism was pure communism.

Jesus, politicians need to grow a pair and actually help people. What do you need to do to convince them?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] ElBarto 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Being able to read Chinese characters, I had a really hard time seeing your name as you intended it...

[–] ElBarto 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Interesting. On kbin I just see "ElBarto". After seeing their comment I went through the original URL to see the Chinese characters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I can't see it anymore for some reason - it doesn't mean anything really but I remember the first character being 毛 which is hair haha

[–] ElBarto 1 points 7 months ago

Yeah I ended up changing it, people kept pointing it out so now I've made it clear.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Same where I work. I feel like I am fighting a losing battle to keep us in control of our own products.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

It's like the first scene in fight club, where he's talking about the insurance equation. That shaped my world view then. It's accurate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Now if only cars had this kind of safety rating.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Why were unsafe planes in the air before this incident Pete?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

To be fair the FAA didn't know they were unsafe. Now that they do know Boing wants to keep flying then until they figure out the fix and the FAA is saying no.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

It's not like the front of the plane fell off, which is obviously not safe.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The US transportation secretary announced on Wednesday afternoon that no grounded Boeing 737 Max 9 would return to service “until it is safe."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Good Lord, of course they're grounded until it is safe This isn't like putting your kid in timeout.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ummmm was that not implied? It's upsetting that he felt the need to say it.

Like your waiter dropping off your burger, saying "don't worry, nobody spit in it."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

More like there's no needles in it... Used ones with HIV

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

This is what happens when you move your headquarters out of Seattle. Just saying...

[–] restingboredface 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So if Boeing is such a mess that they are grouding their planes, why are their other planes still okay? The problems seem to be about how Boeing operates and aren't limited to one or two planes so it seems reasonable to think that others are being handled the same way. Why should we assume that other Boeing planes are safe?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

It's because the 737 MAX went through significant changes and lobbies the FAA to avoid recertification.

Essentially we have a record which planes have gone through a rigorous certification process in their current configuration and which haven't because looking back it's plain as day.

The design of most planes has been checked properly because the FAA and Boeing have usually done their job properly. In the case of this change to the 737 they haven't.

I'd still recommend requesting a flight on another companies airplane when possible and never accepting a ticket on a 737 max even if it's allowed back in the air.

But there's no need to cause a mass grounding of safe aircraft that don't have any problems. That would be incredibly wasteful and more importantly bring older aircraft into service as an alternative. Older aircraft which would be less safe than the ones on the ground.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Because a large majority of commercial jets in the US are made by Boeing. And grounding more than half of the planes in the US would be terrible for the economy.

Also, different models have different designs, were designed at different times. Many of the planes are 'tried-and-true'.