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A new bill in Florida would make accusations of Transphobia would be treated as defamation. The defendant could not "prove truth" by citing a plaintiff's "scientific or religious beliefs."


A new bill introduced in Florida, Senate Bill 1780, would make accusations of discrimination towards transgender people “defamation per se,” with accusers on the hook for a hefty $35,000 penalty. Critically, the bill states that if you are sued for defamation under the statutes, you cannot use the defendant’s scientific or religious beliefs or expression to prove that they are acting in a discriminatory fashion towards transgender people. These and other provisions would make it so that accusations of transphobic discrimination would be nearly impossible to prove, and would leave anyone making the accusation on the hook for damages.

The bill outlines several methods and protections for individuals accused of transphobic actions to sue their accusers. For example, one clause stipulates that a person cannot be deemed a public figure due to their association with “a video, image, or statement uploaded on the internet that has reached a large audience.” This implies that if someone is captured on video engaging in discriminatory behavior against transgender individuals, such as denying entry or using slurs, this viral content cannot establish their status as a “public figure.” Consequently, this makes it easier for them to initiate lawsuits against those who accuse them of transphobia, regardless of what the video shows.

Most importantly, the bill contains a section that would make allegations that someone is operating in a discriminatory fashion towards “race, sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity” defamation per se, meaning accusations of racism, sexism, homophobia, or transphobia could result in hefty lawsuits. For homophobia and transphobia, there is an additional provision that would make lawsuits much more likely to succeed: defendants could not cite a plaintiff’s “constitutionally protected religious expression or beliefs” or a plaintiff’s “scientific beliefs” to prove the truth of their allegation of homophobia or transphobia.

read more: https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/florida-bill-would-make-accusations?publication_id=994764&post_id=140479556

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Your ideology must be going great if you need laws to punish people just for observing that it exists.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

They complain about "leftist snowflakes", then go and try to pass legislation like this.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

it's just that they're using the wrong words to describe it. Facts don't win arguments, Karens do. Right?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So basically a "you can't sue or I'm rubber and your glue" bill to go with the "don't say gay bill". Imagine needing to put this much time into bills like this because you can't stop your hate from getting you in trouble and you would rather attack marginalized groups than do any actual governing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The rubber and glue rule. It almost kinda rhymes.

Seriously tho wtf are they doing

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Seriously tho wtf are they doing

Building a dictatorship, obviously.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Imagine putting time into bills like this instead of solving Florida's insurance crisis.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What does Israel have to do with Florida?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 9 months ago

What does OP's comment have to do with Israel?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Defamation is so difficult to convict on in the US because of 1st amendment protections. This new statute is DOA once a non-shitass court looks at it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yup. Defamation case law has set an incredibly high bar in the United States. There's no way this is going to stand up in court, assuming it even passes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

The chilling effect it would have on speech in the meantime is the whole point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

That is where an injunction usually kicks in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

And it's just a waste of time so Florida politicians can do performative posturing for their base instead of actual governing. More of the same

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

IDK, how many people actually pay attention to the nonsense being passed in their state legislature? I'm guessing most people in Florida aren't aware this even exists. This is only really going to apply to public figures.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

The problem here is that it will be quite some time before the Supreme Court is non-shitass.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago

If you say I'm scared one more time, I'm gonna call the cops!!!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Thought these guys were big on free speech. This sounds like abridging expression to me.

Don't we already have crimes like slander and libel that cover when people do this and it's not true? Thus, this law would widen that to include saying it when it is true?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

You're putting way too much thought into it.

It's so the chuds can tell their hooting crowds they're making it illegal for somebody to call them transphobic just because they said and did transphobic stuff.

Pretty sure that's the start and end of their strategy.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 0 points 9 months ago

I haven't read the text, but I'm guessing it's just including allegations of transphobia in existing libel laws. So basically virtue signaling.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Jason Brodeur Is a transphobe. My friend told me that Jason Brodeur is the one who shits on the toilet seats of public restrooms. Anyways, Jason Brodeur once tried to kiss me on the way home from school. So he is totally gay now, and also shits on toilet seats, like a poorly trained dog. How much is 35,000 Floridian Meth Money in USD?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

transphobes don't necessarily need to be called transphobes. they just need to be shot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Weird how hexbears act pro lgbtq while at the same time are defensive of some of the most trans and homophobic dictatorships on earth

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At first I saw this picture and headline and thought, "Who the fuck is Florida Bill?"

[–] LaserTurboShark69 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Florida Man's cousin and brother-in-law

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

How to guarantee you will destroy your state's economy in one move:

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Your free speech ends where my feelings begin! frothingfash

[–] CCF_100 8 points 9 months ago

This bill is transphobic simply for existing lmao

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

They're evolving, just backwards

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He looks like he's saying "Hans, are we ze baddies?"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Has david mitchell ever actually tried a different accent? I imagine it'd be hilarious. I haven't seen the show and know him only from the uk comedy circuit.

[–] mindbleach 6 points 9 months ago

Truth is an absolute defense against libel.

No matter how hard you go "nuh-uh."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

One of my joys is the knowledge that Florida will likely collapse into the sea during my lifetime and also economically collapse as the snowbirds all die off

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

this works in the inverse, 'i fired you because my religious beliefs from my one-man religion say i have to'

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

that's right rednecks, protect the problem not the solution