this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2024
627 points (98.5% liked)

World News

38262 readers
2887 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 68 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Oh wtf this was one of the drugs people used to poison themselves with? I was prescribed this a month ago because the rheumatologist told me is the safest drug for auto immune issues although I still need to take mehtylprednisolone every few months due to spinal inflammation that messes with nerves.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Don't worry, a key part of toxicity is the dosage. If you're following a prescription from an actual doctor instead of taking handfuls of horse medication at the behest of extremist politicians you're fine.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Kecessa 50 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's great if it's used to treat what it was meant to, people started taking it because a few doctors mentioned it might help with COVID without having any proof it did.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The hazards here were related to passing around doses, improper prescriptions from disreputable doctors, and not seeking out actual treatments for covid. If you have certain conditions and medications there can be side effects and interactions that harm health, but that your doctor should have considered. Some people who really needed hydroxychloroquine for legitimate uses like yours had trouble getting it because of shortages due to morons rushing out to get it.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Just like Ivermectin, it has a legitimate use. But snakeoil salesmen peddled both of them as off label Covid miracle cures with zero medical trials, or even an attempt to begin one.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Take the recommended dose and you'll be fine, just don't go over because it's easy to OD with.

You might also go blind, but that's a future you problem

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Remember these chuckleheads believe the vaccine is poison and you gotta be careful and they put this stuff into themselves. Apparently research is listening to Joe's podcast.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Anybody that takes medical advice from Joe Rogan deserves whatever malady or health problem they get. Literal leopardsatemyface…

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 months ago

"What do you have to lose?"

Umm. Their lives, apparently? Such an irresponsible statement.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (11 children)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Generally yes, but there's cases where parents gave this shit to their kids too.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think you're confusing this and Ivermectin. Hydroxychloroquine (as far as I know) is prescription only. Ivermectin is too technically but you can get the "livestock" version at a TSC or similar store. Which says a lot about the "not sheep" crowd taking medicine literally used for livestock.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

people got Hydroxychloroquine by unauthorized means too

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

And some people with authorized means couldn't get it because of the idiots

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

Technically, that still serves to remove their genes from the pool.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (10 replies)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That figure stems from a study published in the Nature scientific journal in 2021 which reported an 11 percent increase in the mortality rate, linked to its prescription against COVID-19, because of the potential adverse effects like heart rhythm disorders, and its use instead of other effective treatments.

So I think what they are reporting is an estimate of people who died of COVID whilst taking this stuff and so did not undertake other forms of treatment.

I don't think they are saying that most of these people died as a direct result of taking the drug. (e.g. overdosing)., despite what the headline suggests.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not quite. The drug causes heart irregularities in some people at therapeutic doses, and this killed some of those 17k people. It just doesn't quantify it here.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Socsa 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

But I'm not allowed to add caffeine powder to my yogurt anymore because one idiot died 🙄

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (4 children)

FDA banned pure/high concentration caffeine powder because people died from improper measurement. I think you can still find lower concentration caffeine powders.

[–] Reverendender 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

How much do you need?!? I got some shit called Apex Drive Tiger’s Blood on Amazon, and I can’t even handle a whole scoop in my beverage.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Is it enough to kill two and a half men?

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] andrew_bidlaw 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Broken teeth from eating a yougurt with 90% raw coffee beans.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

You have to grind the yogurt before adding it to the beans, dumbass. Smdh

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Stupid is as stupid does.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Former US President Donald Trump said: ‘What do you have to lose? Take it.’

As a proud and patriotic French, I can't let the murican brag about their (former) President without bragging about our former and current President whom happen to be a very good epidemiologist :

https://www.science.org/content/article/france-s-president-fueling-hype-over-unproven-coronavirus-treatment

Today his profile rose even higher, as French President Emmanuel Macron traveled to Marseille to meet Raoult, a hospital director and researcher who led the two trials. Macron did not comment after the meeting, but the rendezvous, initiated by Macron, was a clear sign of Raoult's newfound political clout. Jean-Paul Hamon, president of the Federation of Doctors of France, one of many scientists and doctors critical of the meeting, called it "showbiz politics."

A survey released by French polling institute IFOP on 6 April revealed that 59% of the French population believes chloroquine is effective against the new coronavirus. Confidence in the drugs is higher on the far right and far left, and reached 80% among sympathizers of the "yellow vest" movement that staged massive protests against Macron's economic policy in 2018 and 2019. Support is also very high, at 74%, in the Marseille region.

Karine Lacombe, head of infectious diseases at the Saint Antoine Hospital in Paris, has said on French TV that she and her team have received repeated "physical threats" for refusing to prescribe chloroquine; she said she has also seen many falsified prescriptions for the drug. Other doctors have reported similar experiences. The pressure comes on top of the stress caused by shortages of protective equipment, diagnostic tests, and medical staff.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Donald Trump should be charged for those deaths. Sadly, it is unlikely that the families that took his advice would take out a class action. As to his comment about what have you got to lose? The court or any reasonable party simply has to read the patient information leaflet.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Donald Trump should be charged for those deaths.

To be fair, it's not entirely his fault that those individuals made poor choices. Yet, his actions were pretty awful, especially considering that those who passed away probably supported him by voting

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's always an interesting discussion when we raise the question of:

If people who are born with disabilities and intellectual impairments get special treatment, what is the threshold for being so stupid that you can't be considered responsible for your actions (or be expected not to be manipulated or misled)?

There is a strong argument that people who aren't that smart can't really be held accountable for their actions, as its beyond their control.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

This was actually an argument used in the criminal defense of some of the capitol rioters lol

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Nearly 17,000 people may have died after taking hydroxycholoroquine during the first wave of COVID, according to a study by French researchers.

The anti-malaria drug was prescribed to some patients hospitalized with COVID-19 during the first wave of the pandemic, "despite the absence of evidence documenting its clinical benefits," the researchers point out in their paper, published in the February issue of Biomedicine & Pharmacotherapy.

Now, researchers have estimated that some 16,990 people in six countries — France, Belgium, Italy, Spain, Turkey and the U.S. — may have died as a result.

Researchers from universities in Lyon, France, and Québec, Canada, used that figure to analyze hospitalization data for COVID in each of the six countries, exposure to hydroxychloroquine and the increase in the relative risk of death linked to the drug.

In fact, they say the figure may be far higher given the study only concerns six countries from March to July 2020, when the drug was prescribed much more widely.

Hydroxychloroquine gained prominence partly due to French virologist Didier Raoult who had headed the Méditerranée Infection Foundation hospital, but was later removed amid growing controversy.


The original article contains 260 words, the summary contains 187 words. Saved 28%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"COULD HAVE"

I'm so sick of this sort of reporting. Too many "maybe", "might have", "could be". it's just fear mongering.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

'Could have' is due to the range of potential estimates. The confidence interval was between 6420–20294 deaths.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›