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Florida’s firebrand surgeon general is calling for use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines to be stopped.

Joseph Ladapo, M.D., wrote a letter to Robert Califf, M.D., commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and Mandy Cohen, M.D., MPH, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), last month. He cited a preprint study from October, which was not peer reviewed or published in a medical journal, claiming there are “nucleic acid contaminants” in both the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines.

Dr. Ladapo claims, without sufficient backing, that these contaminants can lead to the development of cancer, and damage a person’s blood, heart, lungs, liver, kidney and other organs.

The FDA replied to the surgeon general that there was no evidence the shots posed these types of danger, according to a statement from the Florida Department of Health on Wednesday.

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Could yous stop using words like "Firebrand" and use the proper "Attention-seeking"

[–] prole 20 points 7 months ago

Yeah. Surgeon General isn't exactly a position that warrants a "firebrand." Doesn't really seem appropriate.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Of course he's from Florida. What other state would do this?

Also, it's not like Florida was taking the shot anyway.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Actually, Florida has an average take rate. Floridanas don't pay much attention to this nonsense. Like this huckster here who double dips the state to the tune of a half mil a year.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They certainly vote as though they do, though. Which is why they have so many of these hucksters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Florida democrats don't vote. That's the problem.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't change what I said, though. Not voting is effectively a form of voting. Just choosing "none of the above" instead of choosing one of the options.

Unfortunately it's typically the least effective choice one can make.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not voting isn't even choosing "none of the above", that would at least be informative as a protest. I could even imagine a system where it's a meaningful choice, for example if "none of the above" gets the majority of votes then the election is re-run and none of the previous candidates are eligible for the second attempt.

Not voting is choosing "I want what everyone who is actually voting picks."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I mean, yes, choosing a literal "none of the above" options would be more motive. Typically there's not that option, though. The point was that people who don't show up to vote, whether it's motivated by disinterest or desire to protest the system, are effectively the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah we do. The problem is that 300k+ people moved here each year during the initial COVID epidemic. The lion's share of them were GOP symps running away from lockdowns & other mandates. Personally, in my county, Democrats are outnumbered 2 to 1 by the GOP as well as "Independents" now.

Hopefully this migration will have knock-on effects at the voting booths throughout the country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

My sympathies to whatever sane people are left in Florida, but yeah, on a national level this looks like the GOP effectively gerrymandering itself. If GOP voters move from purple states to deep red ones that's a win overall.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, they had to get the power somehow, and that generally starts at the voting booth.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Hard to blame the current disenfranchised voters for not being able to vote out those already abusing their power. Blaming them shifts the attention away from those abusing their power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yes, it makes it hard, but it doesn't make it impossible. I agree there's plenty of reasons that people are less able to express themselves by voting... but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

And just pointing fingers does nothing to fix the situation. We already know the people in power are abusing it, unless you emphasize actually getting rid of them, nothing will change. Saying it's impossible to vote when it's not just makes it that much easier for potential voters to decide it's not worth the effort and just stay home.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 7 months ago (1 children)

" He cited a preprint study from October, which was not peer reviewed or published in a medical journal," - he did his own research.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Through a Facebook link, apparently.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 42 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What do you call the person who graduates with the lowest marks in med school?

Doctor.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago

He was appointed by DeSantis in 2021 specifically because he is the only guy with an MD willing to say getting vaccinated was a bad idea. Like literally, DeSantis saw his pro hydroxychloroquine anti vaccine op eds and hired him.

He's not a "firebrand" he's an anti-scientific hack. It's not like he's out there advancing the field of cancer research. It's just covid misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

To be fair, Joseph Ladapo says a lot of stupid things.

Also, why does Harvard output so many garbage humans?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Because they start with so many garbage humans based on acceptance influenced by money/politics/legacy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

A lot of the really prestigious medical schools/residency programs have a reputation for a toxic culture, and this means by and large they attract a larger share of toxic applicants. Their programs are really focused not on training great bedside clinicians, but on training people who will attempt to change fields through research and public policy. Unfortunately, the toxic nature of these programs, and their immense emphasis on publishable output and reputation, likely attract a larger fraction of narcissists with the skills necessary to mask their inappropriate behaviors when needed in comparison to other programs. That is not to say that all Harvard trained physicians are horrible people, I'm sure the vast majority of them are fantastic, but I would be money that Harvard attracts a greater fraction of the kookes than your average midtier medical school.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Stupid. He probably performed brain surgery on himself and screwed up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Self lobotchomy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Just as an aside here. The preprint Ladapo is citing, one of the key authors of that paper's website has their certificate expired. They should really consider getting a professional to handle their site. That really dampens people who are reading the preprint to see what's actually in it and looking up the various folks involved in it. Like I started looking for guy's email address and now it's like "guy c'mon, hire someone to do your site and if someone is actually doing your site, you should get someone else."

That's all, I'm still reading the preprint though and getting through it.

Dude's certificate below:

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Remember the last time we looked at preprint non peer reviewed papers? LK-99 does.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Moron says stupid things. This is the quality of people that DeSantis surround himself with.