this post was submitted on 02 Jan 2024
256 points (91.8% liked)

Ask Lemmy

25999 readers
2295 users here now

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have funDoxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either [email protected] or [email protected]. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email [email protected]. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 247 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

There are quite a number of good articles on the subject if you want a thorough answer, but some of the main things are:

  • He's responsible for a massive deregulation of financial institutions that were a precursor to the Wall Street issues that led to the giant government bailout.

  • He pushed "trickle down economics," which is the theory that if you cut taxes on corporations and the wealthy, they'll succeed more and create more jobs so that everyone wins. This is something conservatives always push and it's always a horrible failure that results in a bigger and bigger income gap.

  • He funded his big tax cuts (mostly for the wealthy) by slashing federal assistance programs, including low income housing subsidies and mental health support, resulting in an unprecedented surge in homelessness that we're still wrestling with today.

  • Nancy Reagan was the "Just say no to drugs" lady - the figurehead of the largely failed war on drugs which was like trying to prevent teen pregnancy with an abstinence only education program.

There's a lot more, but those are some of the big ticket items.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Reagan was massively anti-labor and oversaw the air traffic controller strike and fired employees who were striking for better wages and conditions. It was a harbinger of things to come for labor unions, many of which were then so gutted by outsourcing and neoliberal Clinton passing NAFTA, the single most anti-union, anti-middle class piece of law ever. Reagan set the table against labor, Clinton and the Dems delivered the death blow. Organized labor now only accounts for less than 10% of jobs in the US, and only with Coronavirus-driven alignment and efforts is labor finally starting to regain its legs. 40 years Reagan helped kill the American middle class.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

I almost added a bullet about killing unions, but it was hard to know where to stop. He also wasn't great for the environment, but I think it's generally accepted that he wasn't the environmental train wreck that people thought he'd be.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 7 months ago

The Gays would kindly ask this list include the HIV crises.

Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

Trickle down economics, which is the "Horse and Sparrow" economic theory. Also known as "Let the masses eat shit".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes definitely "some". One rather big one though that I'd like to add.

  • Reagan was a sponsor of international terror. Selling arms to iran. Circumventing a US embargo.To arm Nicaraguan rebels, trying to overthrow the government that had ended the American occupation. Training and arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan. Who were part of a group many might recognize al'queda. Run by some guy called Osama Bin'laden. I think I've heard of him maybe..... All because "the commies" whom Regan and all Americans were pavlovianly trained to become apoplectic about at the mere mention. Marched into Afghanistan, failing and flailing much like the United States just finished doing. And that's only two of the bigger ones.

  • Also it bares repeating but Reagan has a large part of the blame for the aids epidemic nationally like Mike Pence did in Indiana. Simply because they were both raging homophobic racist bigots.

  • The HUD rigging scandal was another good one. Did I mention Reagan was a hyper partisan dog whistling racist bigot yet? Either way it's not repeated enough. Rewarding HUD contracts to Republican doners as quid pro quo.

  • Sooooooooo many scandals at the EPA.

  • Savings and loan scandal. A nice cancerous outcropping of Reagan's deregulation that still harrows us to this day.

He's literally a bottomless pit of harm and scandal.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget destroying the budget of mental health facilities, causing people to be sent out on the streets in droves, without resources. That is the biggest reason for our homeless crisis to this day.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

What about the cut on public education spending? Because Reagan was afraid that educated young people will rebeal against the government. Fuck Reagan

[–] [email protected] 120 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So many things.

Refusing to say AIDS for years , let alone doing anything

Iran -contra

Making a deal with Iran to continue holding the hostages until after he becomes president

Breaking PATCO the air traffic controller union

So

Many

Things

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 110 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

He and Thatcher were instrumental in bringing neoliberalism into mainstream politics. Neoliberalism differs from classical liberalism in that its about freeing capital and not people. This directly led to all the problems we face today with a government that used to be by and for the people but now the only people the government serves are the corporations we gave out rights to.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 7 months ago

His policies on economy are responsible for billionaire class existing in the US. There is a good read on America only had a handful of billionaires 40 years ago. We’re now creating ‘centibillionaires’–and unless we tax them, trillionaires.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

his election came out of treasonous interference overseas, his policy was to bailout people who made too many bets oil prices would never rise, his tax policy was to shift the burdens to the middle class and away from the rich, the current real estate laws that favor investors were created then, he illegally funded south american genocides, he oversaw a domestic crackdown on unions that is ongoing, his administration was run by the ghouls who later invaded iraq under false pretenses, and the guy was was also a huge piece of shit.

I'm sure I left out a lot.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

also got rid of the fairness doctrine, explicitly to allow the creation of Fox News and forever change news media for the worse.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Don't forget that he deliberately slow-walked any response to the AIDS crisis...until his friend Rock Hudson contracted it. Then it was all-hands-on-deck.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It might be easier and quicker to digest in podcast form from people who did the research: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-ronald-and-nancy-reagan-29967299/

In short: deregulation, wealth transfer to the rich, harming rights of labor, and genocide.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (5 children)

This policy is exactly the same policy being implemented today. What are the odds of that? Examples; Deregulation: railroad crash toxic chemical huge spill, wealth transfer to the rich: patriot act and covid economic response, harming rights of labor: making railroard strike illegal, genocide: supporting israel with money and weapons...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Yes, these things are all happening because Reagan paved the way for it.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 65 points 7 months ago (10 children)

Sorry to be that guy, but I’m trying to promote a community here.

The title should ask, “Why were Ronald Reagan and Nancy…”

This is because the subject, Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan, is more than 1 person.

If anyone wants to learn English I’m moderating lemmy.ml/c/englishlearning

I’m happy to answer any questions.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Great and useful way to advertise the community lemmy.ml/c/englishlearning

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You should format the link as [email protected], so people on other instances can use it too.

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 63 points 7 months ago

To expand, their policies were harmful and we're still dealing with the consequences of them

  • "trickle-down" policies, which widened income inequality and increased national debt

  • initial inaction during the AIDS crisis made the epidemic and stigma a lot worse. It's only recently that we're starting to effectively deal with the illness

  • "War on Drugs" got worse under Reagan, with mass incarceration that disproportionately affected minority communities. Also the "Just Say No" campaign oversimplified the issue instead of addressing the underlying causes. Again, we're only now starting to shift those policies into something that's more productive

[–] [email protected] 48 points 7 months ago

He signed in the Omnibus Reconciliation Act on the heels of killing Carter’s Mental Health Systems Act.

Basically killed a chunk of fed assistance for heath care, punted it to the states with a nebulous “we’ll figure it out” which they promptly didn’t. So state mental housing disappeared and now you have mentally ill homeless everywhere.

And on top of everything else, throwing money at rich people, tax cuts for rich people, trickle down, throwing money at the military, and we haven’t even gotten to Gingrich’s bullshit “contract with America” that helped the Regan years push us towards the evangelical and fringe right we have to deal with today.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This question could easily be a college thesis, if not an entire course. I think anyone asking this question and learning more about Reagan is on the right track to better understanding... I really want to say 'everything'. Politics, human nature, consumerism, economics, negotiation, propaganda, cover ups, racism, homophobia, the fallacy of Democracy, and so so much more.

If you're any more interested in the subject than reading through a handful of comments on the internet, I recommend the book "The Man Who Sold the World: Ronald Reagan and the Betrayal of Main Street America".

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He tried to "starve the beast". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

The beast being the government itself. The idea is that the government is somehow overspending in comparison to the tasks carried out and it needs to be fixed by cutting funding.

The result is obviously that the government will function even worse, so it's a self fulfilling prophecy.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 months ago

Promoting greed and selfishness as virtues. We have lunatics trying to take over the country who are true believers.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In addition to all of the above they would literally consult their "psychic/astrologer" on policy decisions.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 7 months ago

He pushed the whole "the government is the enemy" mentality which has made it almost impossible to have national healthcare among other things. The republicans also jumped into bed with Christian fundamentalists at this point and the NRA went from being for gun regulations to no regulations. It was a continuation of the backlash against the 60s that started with Nixon.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

I think Iran (let's leave the contra side out) was pretty bad. The US had been helping Sadam Hussein fight Iran by selling them weapons for years, only to discover they also started selling them to Iran too. Talk about hateful... Supplying weapons to both sides so they can go kill each other.

It's why Sadam was so distrustful of the US, especially when Shrub (Bush Jr) came knocking a couple decades later.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Reagan, like Trump and Bush43, was the face guy connecting to people while behind the scenes the wrecking crew drafted their EOs and delivered on their patronage's shadow agenda.

A lot of what Reagan's admin did was foundational- as head of the executive (which includes regulatory agencies) he had the power to quietly dismantle regulatory agencies, and in so doing hamstring America's capacity to regulate its own affairs at the request of lobbyists that didn't want their industries regulated. His legislative affairs team gutted budgets and raided social security while he charmed audiences and the media.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

Sabotaged Iran hostages being released during Carter’s administration. And the stuff others said. Check Hell of Presidents on the Chapo Traphouse patreon feed. I found it super interesting (I’m a history nerd).

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I guess it also warrants asking, what good, if any, did Reagan do for America?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I thought as much, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you have Paramount+, don't mind doing a free trial, or like to sail the seven seas, you can watch The Reagans documentary series. Another documentary that gives you some insight into the type of people they were is the Rock Hudson one. The TL;DR on that one is that they had been good friends for decades, especially Nancy, and the moment it came out that he had AIDS, they pretended he had never existed.

Ronald was basically an idiot but Nancy was a truly foul human being.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

The ol' throat goat.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

He was so popular he convinced democrats that they needed to move to the right if they wanted to win an election ever again.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

I think Reagan can be summed up as the start of "burn it all down". He defined the government as the problem and the solution was to demolish it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Reagan cut taxes while increasing spending, despite talking like his goal was to reduce government excess. As a result, the national debt increase for the first time since WWII and has not stopped in that trend since then.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Not many believe in faith and true nationalism but if you hold true to the world of god I think you will see Ronald Reagan really just was the devil.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

War on drugs.

War on AIDS.

War on middle class.

War on unbiased news.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

He also layered on burying definitions of communism vs socialism. He angled on the public to be stupid enough to swallow that bullshit whole.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›