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Mozilla 2023 Annual Report: CEO pay skyrockets, while Firefox Marketshare nosedives
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Fuck noted racist Bryan Lunduke.
this post was submitted on 28 Dec 2023
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I'm so out of the loop here. Never heard of him before. A quick web search yielded little. But his seemingly-abandoned Twitter profile is...something. https://nitter.net/bryanlunduke
I used to say controversial things that I don't really believe to try and get attention. Now I've changed. Black Lives Matter. He / Him
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What's his deal?
Oh he's very active: conservativenerds.locals.com
He was one of the founding members of Jupiter Broadcasting. Was heavily involved in openSUSE for a long time (maybe even on the board?) and did a lot of Linux journalism. If you've ever seen the annual tongue in cheek "Linux sucks" video, that is him.
It's a huge shame. He's very charismatic and likeable otherwise, I just wish he also wasn't carrying around awful opinions about so many other people.
Yup, I used to like watching his stuff, but he's kind of become controversial, so screw that.
Good catch.
What an shitty article. It is looking on the revenue, ceo income and market share of only 2 years and trys to make a point.
It's this fucking lunduke again, he is a right-wing that tries to call Mozilla for whatever reason from time to time.
Lunduke is such a contrarian. He cannot help himself from trying to argue that he understands better than common opinion, whether or not his position makes sense.
This is the man who disabled HTTPS on his site because he felt that the fact certificates can expire and domains can change hands made it not secure enough... and that using plain HTTP was somehow a more pragmatic security approach.
We, the community, really need to make a separate browser project. It's clear that Mozilla doesn't care about competing with chrome/chromium. They just want to be in the market to get that sweet google money so that google can't be sued for being a monopoly by funding a "competitor".
They spun off the Servo browser project if you want to work on that.
That said browsers are as complex as kernels now a days, it's crazy how much work is involved in it.
If I were a programmer, maybe. They got my financial support on The Linux Foundation. Feel free to donate :)
What methods are being used to measure browser market share? Are those methods inclusive of Firefox users utilizing privacy-forward tools and ad blockers? If not, then Firefox market share may not necessarily be dwindling.
Then again, if Mozilla's revenue stream is aligned with the world of advertising, Firefox users who strive to make themselves invisible to advertisers are being written-off outright by Mozilla. The population of browser market share is only counting those who advertisers can influence - nobody else matters.
I'm not an expert, but I was curious so I did 15 minutes of digging and this is what I found. Take it in context.
Wikipedia's Usage share of web browsers page references two sources for stats: StatCounter and NetMarketShare.
StatCounter is an analytics tool for web site operators. They cover their methodology here: https://gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology . To quote:
Our tracking code is installed on more than 1.5 million sites globally.
Their installation guide explains that they use a small JavaScript snippet embedded into the site's HTML.
Firefox blocks this if enhanced tracking protection is set to strict. Discussion on Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34502986 . Some commenters there also said that uBlock origin blocks it. I have not confirmed.
NetMarketShare also refers to collecting data from user browsers and requiring JavaScript. https://netmarketshare.com/methodology
I would be interested to see server-side statistics based on HTTP user-agent from major global sites like Wikipedia, but I was not able to find that. I imagine spoofing user-agents is less common than ad blocking and tracker blocking
Edit: Found Wikimedia's browser stats:
Linked from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics#Analytics
I see suggestions to spoof that too for sites that require chrome for example
Dammit, and Firefox is the only browser not jumping on the embedding drm bandwagon...
This article is chudposting, remember that
Firefox slides into irrelevance either. I didnβt realize it has less than 4% market share. I remember when it had around 20% not too long ago
I think Mozilla the company needs to be rethought
Yeah, that's been the case for like 10 years now.
The focus should be on securing independent funding. This means paid services or increased independent donations. Some ideas:
- Mozilla VPN - essentially a wrapper over Mullvad, but the landing page doesn't give a good reason to choose it over Mullvad (e.g. container tabs); choosing a server per site should be front and center
- email - I know they tried at some point, but they really should integrate with something like ProtonMail (e.g. FF-specific TLD with service through ProtonMail)
- password manager - they have their own solution, but it's FF-only; perhaps have a cobranded Bitwarden that integrates with other Mozilla products cleanly
- ad blocker - Mozilla should work with major websites to drop ads and let the user choose between privacy-respecting ads (served by Mozilla based on local browsing history) or anonymous payment (Mozilla would host something like GNU Taler, which you'd load through a method of your choosing)
The last I think could be truly disruptive.
Honestly Mozilla could be a hugely profitable company. There is clearly a market for privacy and freedom tech.
Yup, and they have both a for profit and nonprofit part of the org, so it's totally doable. They just need competent leadership who legitimately care about being independent of search money.