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[–] [email protected] 137 points 7 months ago (9 children)

The meme is you can’t do any such thing without being labelled antisemitic

[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yup, it’s an issue that goes both ways. Israel has historically used the “antisemite” label as a shield for any criticism. And that has all recently come to a head, where any valid criticism of their literal fucking war crimes is treated the same as if you’re a neo-nazi. You can criticize Israel’s actions without stooping to antisemitism. But that won’t stop Israel (and Israel’s supporters) from labeling you an antisemite anyways.

It’s the same strategy that conservatives have used with things like Critical Race Theory. They work to undefine the term, so anything they don’t like can be labeled as such. Don’t like a classroom lesson? Label it CRT. Since conservatives have been taught to hate CRT, they’ll hate that lesson. Even if the lesson has nothing to do with CRT, that doesn’t matter because the conservative voters have already made up their minds about whether or not they’re against it. Antisemitism has become an undefined term for Israel’s supporters, where anyone they don’t like can simply be labeled an antisemite.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yuo. Conservatives di this all the time. See: woke, politically correct, commie They use terms as cudgels without concern for meaning

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

they pride themselves on not being able to even define what woke, CRT etc are in their own words.

chuds.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Big shout out to all the Jews protesting against israel they completely destroyed this narrative.

https://youtu.be/7I7W99OVcjo

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

Are others going to label them as "anti-semitic Jews"? I feel like it would be ironic and ridiculous but I'm not that smart.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago

Wouldn't be the first time "self-hating Jew" has been used to shut down any kind of anti-Zionist critique. Bernie Sanders had his face shoved in that turd all through 2016. I remember hearing it tossed around since at least the Bush Era, when being against the Iraq War was framed as a form of anti-Semitism.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I've already seen it. I think the common term is "self-hating Jew".

"anti-Semitism" used to be a term with a lot of weight and serious connotations. Now, it's been misused and abused so often that the power it once had is gone.

If anyone who disagrees with the genocidal far right government of Israel is an anti-semite then, of course, the term will lose it's power to shame actual bigots. It should surprise nobody that actual anti-jewish bigots are coming out of the shadows.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I was misquoted by an industry rag as one many years ago. I'm a huge fuckin Jew. People look for the negative

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is one of those memes where you can't really be sure who it's talking to.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 7 months ago

Agreed. One one hand, some people have been using 'antisemitic' (sorry I have no idea how to spell that, and autocorrect isn't helping lmao) to dismiss just about anyone who criticizes Israel's actions. On the other hand, there absolutely are people going around being blatantly antisemitic.

I'm assuming that's what you're talking about, but correct me if I'm wrong ofc lol.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Condemning the deaths of Palestinians is not inherently antisemitic

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 71 points 7 months ago (72 children)

Anti-zionism =/= anti-semitism.

Pro-Palestine =/= pro-Hamas.

Anti-Hamas =/= Pro-Israel.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Since October it's been a really easy concept to grasp. Hamas is a terrorist group that murdered and kidnapped a bunch (don't know the exact number something around 200+) of Israeli civilians, the IDF responded in a predictably overzealous way and have now killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 civilians in Palestine. Neither Hamas nor the IDF have a moral high ground here. They both need to stop killing civilians. Super easy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (60 children)

Neither Hamas nor the IDF have a moral high ground here. They both need to stop killing civilians.

The one thing both have in common is refusal to take peace talks seriously. Hamas refuses to let go of their hostages, and Israel continues their bombing campaign against Hamas.

Its a difficult situation because these are the "adults" in the room. The civilians involved have little power at all.

[–] winterayars 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Hamas did let some hostages go fwiw.

Both Hamas and the Israeli government do not want peace, though. They're on the same side in that. (Hence Israel sending cash and stuff to keep Hamas in power.)

[–] brbposting 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Israel sending cash…to keep Hamas in power

Oh no…

NYT article (no paywall)

That’s… bad.

Vetted one of the Times’ claims too: the Israeli press decrying the Qatari payments in 2014.

[–] winterayars 4 points 7 months ago

It's pretty fucking bad.

The Israeli government directly aided the terrorist attack that killed over 1000 people. They're not protecting their citizens. Leveling Gaza doesn't protect shit. They're not changing their policies. They are a disaster both for the Israeli and Palestinian people.

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[–] Tremble 12 points 7 months ago

Judaism =/= the Israeli government

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

I'd make this into a T-shirt but the amount of people that have no idea what ≠ means is too damn high.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago (1 children)

some of the most chill, accepting, and compassionate religious people I know are jews. Funny how what those people all have in common is hating zionism.

[–] winterayars 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sadly they're not the ones running Israel right now :(

[–] SuddenDownpour 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Jews who stand against zionism don't usually have a lot of motivation to live in Israel. It's a structural issue with the country.

[–] winterayars 11 points 7 months ago

There are some! At least some who stand against these atrocities. It's definitely less attractive a prospect, though.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"Those that shoot missles and kill civilians are responsible for their death regardless of circumstances."

"If you think I am criticizing Israel instead of Hamas then you are admitting you can't tell the difference - and that's a 'you' problem"

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Antisemitism can be defined arbitrarily by Zionists. Criticizing Zionism is often labeled as antisemitic. You cannot win by playing this game.

The easiest is to ignore this label and look at the facts. If I am an antisemite for not wanting psychopaths to kill Palestinian children, and want said psychopaths to be justly charged for their crimes, then so be it, I am an antisemite. I don't care.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I say fuck Israel, not fuck the Jews. Not sure who's the target audience here

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Those PARTICULAR Jews suck!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Authoritarians don't want you to know this, but:

The people are not the state.

The state is not the people.

Nobody is born anywhere on purpose.

You can condemn the Israeli state without being a Nazi.

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[–] winterayars 11 points 7 months ago

Some people can, others... well... i think the antisemitic comments are the point for some.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Did anyone else never notice Double D is pointing at a page that's double the width of the book and has been folded out?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

My god can beat up your god, nuh uh, bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb

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